Old 01-03-2019, 02:36 PM   #1
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Two nice shots by the same photographer, both in the same area but different angles and rare snow (according to the photographer, don't know myself, never been there). First shot posted, has the NS loco in the lead with lots to look at, terrain, foggy mountains and elevation currently, no SC . Second shot posted, has UP loco in the lead, is at the lower elevation with only foreground to look at with cloudy sky as a backdrop and gets SC. The second shot caught my attention right away due to the snowy dessert location and then I saw the SC. It got me wondering right away if there was a dislike for NS loco's. I went to RP's home page, clicked on the Screener's choice link (which only showcases SC pics) and surveyed the first 300 pics which date all the way back to April 2015. I only found 3 shots that had NS loco's in them. Is it just coincidental or a distaste for NS loco's?
Personally I like the NS shot over the UP shot for the reasons I stated above and for those wondering if I am partial to NS loco's, I am not. What are your thoughts on this?

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Black NS locomotives are only good to shoot while on the NS Pokey in fog / rain / snow / etc.

Honestly, I couldn't tell you if there's a concerted effort against them here. I had to go look, but only one of my dark horse leaders was an SC. Starnes grew up on a diet of the Black Horse, but Kilroy is from the Westside. Chase could certainly be partial to NS, as it ran by his house growing up. Maybe they could chime in?

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Black NS locomotives are only good to shoot while on the NS Pokey in fog / rain / snow / etc.

Honestly, I couldn't tell you if there's a concerted effort against them here. I had to go look, but only one of my dark horse leaders was an SC. Starnes grew up on a diet of the Black Horse, but Kilroy is from the Westside. Chase could certainly be partial to NS, as it ran by his house growing up. Maybe they could chime in?

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Maybe they could chime in? ...... Here's to hoping, Inquiring minds would like to know.....
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The best thing about the NS black scheme is that it's not worse than it is.
It certainly has been around an awfully long time as mediocre schemes go.

Of course NS is a leader in special schemes, and deserves praise for that!

Just remembered that I haven't trashed big, ugly watermarks lately, so I'll take care of that right now. They most certainly do nothing to "prevent theft" unless they are prominent enough to ruin the viewing experience.
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Maybe they could chime in? ...... Here's to hoping, Inquiring minds would like to know.....

I screened both photos (about 12 hours apart, if I recall correctly) and just happened to like the second one more. The snow-covered cactus in the shot with UP power really sets the desert scene, IMO, where the first shot was lacking that. Nothing to do with the power.

They're still both really nice shots, of course.
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Typical landscape photos like in Outdoor Photographer often have a prominent foreground element(s) like the cactus while many train photos feature the train/engine up front. Paging through SC's photos with the train not dominating the foreground seem more common.

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I screened both photos (about 12 hours apart, if I recall correctly) and just happened to like the second one more. The snow-covered cactus in the shot with UP power really sets the desert scene, IMO, where the first shot was lacking that. Nothing to do with the power.

They're still both really nice shots, of course.
I honestly asked myself: Is it a train photo with a cactus, or is it a cactus photo with a train?
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I screened both photos (about 12 hours apart, if I recall correctly) and just happened to like the second one more. The snow-covered cactus in the shot with UP power really sets the desert scene, IMO, where the first shot was lacking that. Nothing to do with the power.

They're still both really nice shots, of course.
Chris, Thanks for chiming in (I request you do more often) but the way you worded your answer, power does matter. You may not have meant it but you said "The snow-covered cactus in the shot with UP power really sets the desert scene" With it worded this way, I'm left with the impression that only UP power along with a cactus can make a dessert scene. I get you are referring to the "UP shot" and the snow covered cactus it really what made it click for you. So luck of the draw or lead loco statistically has not been in favor of the NS "Dark Horse" (as Lloyd called it) for SC nods.
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Chris, Thanks for chiming in (I request you do more often) but the way you worded your answer, power does matter. You may not have meant it but you said "The snow-covered cactus in the shot with UP power really sets the desert scene" With it worded this way, I'm left with the impression that only UP power along with a cactus can make a dessert scene. I get you are referring to the "UP shot" and the snow covered cactus it really what made it click for you. So luck of the draw or lead loco statistically has not been in favor of the NS "Dark Horse" (as Lloyd called it) for SC nods.
I think that you're looking too hard for a screener to agree with your premise. Rewording Chris' response somewhat, "The snow-covered cactus really sets the desert scene. This is the shot that happened to have UP power." That's how I interpret it. The NS shot really could be mistaken for someplace in a dozen other states. The prickly pear plant and snow rarely coexist, and this adds a lot of interest to the shot. I really don't think that the paint scheme is the significant difference between the two shots.

From a personal standpoint, I have always had a strong distaste for the uninspired NS paint scheme, as I did for predecessor N&W and the PC. The growth of NS with the Conrail breakup contributed to my largely ignoring the hobby for a decade and a half.

It's strange that two of my favorite schemes are largely black and white: the Lehigh & New England scheme and the Lehigh Valley "snowbird" scheme. It's funny what a little splash of red can do to improve an otherwise colorless scheme.
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Of course, UP power appearance is a little bit luck of the draw, above example is OK and does not ruin the scene. NS if nothing else is consistent. UP generally is a big draw, just go a UP yard or facility and shoot a lineup and you have winner in terms of views.

Now what, wait and see but I think we remember prior threads. I brought the map up and the line looks very interesting to say the least, not sure of density.
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It's funny what a little splash of red can do to improve an otherwise colorless scheme.
Did someone say "...what a little splash of red can do..."?

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Actually so rare that only 4 or 5 out of 1000+ PC photos here have that.
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Did someone say "...what a little splash of red can do..."?
Touché! Unfortunately, the red on the PC scheme was just lipstick on a pig.

I noticed in your shot that the second unit also has the red application. Did you get another frame with the two together? That would take the scarcity of the shot to another level.
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I think that you're looking too hard for a screener to agree with your premise. Rewording Chris' response somewhat, "The snow-covered cactus really sets the desert scene. This is the shot that happened to have UP power." That's how I interpret it. The NS shot really could be mistaken for someplace in a dozen other states. The prickly pear plant and snow rarely coexist, and this adds a lot of interest to the shot. I really don't think that the paint scheme is the significant difference between the two shots.

From a personal standpoint, I have always had a strong distaste for the uninspired NS paint scheme, as I did for predecessor N&W and the PC. The growth of NS with the Conrail breakup contributed to my largely ignoring the hobby for a decade and a half.

It's strange that two of my favorite schemes are largely black and white: the Lehigh & New England scheme and the Lehigh Valley "snowbird" scheme. It's funny what a little splash of red can do to improve an otherwise colorless scheme.

I'm not trying to get a screener to agree with me but even in your owns words the black and white (whether it is NS, PC or....) is uninspired. Its drab and anything other than black & white adds pop and to me, has an colorful advantage, thus the reason I started this post. Maybe I should have reworded the title to " Is a black & white paint scheme less appealing to warrant a SC vote" and used a different example.
Maybe this shot would have done better in views or an SC if the UP's were in the lead??? I love the mood of the pic so I voted PC for it.
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Both NS and CSX need to pay a designer to come up with a snazzier logo and more striking corporate colors, at least IMHO. Virtually any of the so-called "hurtage oonits" were better looking and more photogenic than their regular power.
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Both NS and CSX need to pay a designer to come up with a snazzier logo and more striking corporate colors, at least IMHO. Virtually any of the so-called "hurtage oonits" were better looking and more photogenic than their regular power.
I'm with you on this! For NS - if it has to be a solid color then the classic blue or Tucson Red would be so much better than the black & white.
CSX could simply got back to anything with the kitten on it ......
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If only there was some sort of function within an editing program to correct the woes of shooting hard down from the edge of space with a drone...

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If only there was some sort of function within an editing program to correct the woes of shooting hard down from the edge of space with a drone...

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If only there was some sort of function within an editing program to correct the woes of shooting hard down from the edge of space with a drone...

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Amen. It may be because I am getting old, but I don't find U2-style photos of trains to be at all pleasing to the eye. If I owned a drone, I might be shooting at a 30-degree down-angle from perhaps 50-100 ft. AGL, not 60-90 degrees from 399 ft.

As an observation, I am finding that some charter operators are now designating certain spots and run-bys in which participants are welcome to fly their drones. Despite the explosion of drone sales, very few participants seem to opt to take advantage of it. There could be a number of reasons why this is the case:
  1. Perhaps many charter participants see limited applications for a drone and would rather carry an extra lens or body than haul a drone around in their luggage.
  2. It is possible that some folks would rather spend their loot on unique photo opportunities (such as a charter) than on more gear.
  3. It may be because the folks who do charters tend to be older and with more disposable income, and older folks are less inclined to adopt new technologies.

In my case, I'm with reason number one.
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Amen. It may be because I am getting old, but I don't find U2-style photos of trains to be at all pleasing to the eye. If I owned a drone, I might be shooting at a 30-degree down-angle from perhaps 50-100 ft. AGL, not 60-90 degrees from 399 ft.

As an observation, I am finding that some charter operators are now designating certain spots and run-bys in which participants are welcome to fly their drones. Despite the explosion of drone sales, very few participants seem to opt to take advantage of it. There could be a number of reasons why this is the case:
  1. Perhaps many charter participants see limited applications for a drone and would rather carry an extra lens or body than haul a drone around in their luggage.
  2. It is possible that some folks would rather spend their loot on unique photo opportunities (such as a charter) than on more gear.
  3. It may be because the folks who do charters tend to be older and with more disposable income, and older folks are less inclined to adopt new technologies.

In my case, I'm with reason number one.
Im option D, none of the above.
For me, most drone shots are too high thus offering less detail in a broader area. For those shots at a more appealing elevation a drone proves practical for those not attainable on foot. I have limited time and resources which limits my adventures to get that "perfect drone shot" so unless I'm gifted a drone my nickels and dimes will be saved for more gear for my current camera.
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Im option D, none of the above.
For me, most drone shots are too high thus offering less detail in a broader area. For those shots at a more appealing elevation a drone proves practical for those not attainable on foot. I have limited time and resources which limits my adventures to get that "perfect drone shot" so unless I'm gifted a drone my nickels and dimes will be saved for more gear for my current camera.
I think this thread has meandered away from the original topic BUT chiming in on the drone thing..... I have a drone and I've gotten a few shots with from a perspective that I couldn't get with my camera. Being relatively new to the hobby, I still find the challenges of using a camera much more gratifying than any shots I've ever gotten with my drone. It was fun at first but after the "newness" wore off, I rarely even get the thing out.
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I use my drone to capture shots I otherwise couldn't pull off. 99% of my shots are under 100 ft agl, and I always do the proper post process to make it look like it's not from a drone. Someday I may even post one here.

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I think this thread has meandered away from the original topic BUT chiming in on the drone thing..... I have a drone and I've gotten a few shots with from a perspective that I couldn't get with my camera. Being relatively new to the hobby, I still find the challenges of using a camera much more gratifying than any shots I've ever gotten with my drone. It was fun at first but after the "newness" wore off, I rarely even get the thing out.
I think that this thread has again meandered - away from poking fun at an absurdly high and uncorrected drone shot and into a serious discussion!
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Amen. It may be because I am getting old, but I don't find U2-style photos of trains to be at all pleasing to the eye. If I owned a drone, I might be shooting at a 30-degree down-angle from perhaps 50-100 ft. AGL, not 60-90 degrees from 399 ft.

As an observation, I am finding that some charter operators are now designating certain spots and run-bys in which participants are welcome to fly their drones. Despite the explosion of drone sales, very few participants seem to opt to take advantage of it. There could be a number of reasons why this is the case:
  1. Perhaps many charter participants see limited applications for a drone and would rather carry an extra lens or body than haul a drone around in their luggage.
  2. It is possible that some folks would rather spend their loot on unique photo opportunities (such as a charter) than on more gear.
  3. It may be because the folks who do charters tend to be older and with more disposable income, and older folks are less inclined to adopt new technologies.

In my case, I'm with reason number one.
Times change...on the first charter I attended, the guys with sound recorders were complaining to the organizers about all the noise from motor-drive SLRs. I was unable to accommodate them, since my then-new camera had no manual film advance.
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