Old 01-26-2010, 01:24 AM   #1
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Did anyone hear a rumor that the UP was going to repaint their Heritage Locos to regular UP colors. I saw this on a video of guy riding an Amtrak train that was being pulled by UP's Denver Rio Grand loco.
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Old 01-26-2010, 01:33 AM   #2
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Old 01-26-2010, 02:01 AM   #3
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I recently read in Trains magazine that UP has intentions of placing the heritage locomotives back into regular UP paint once they come into the shops for extensive overhauls, etc.

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I agree with TrainFanNZ I hope they don't they look good.
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Old 01-26-2010, 02:41 AM   #5
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Like Chase said, when they are due for major overhaul, they will be repainted and renumbered. This was well publicized when the units first debuted.

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I guess I got to see them. I have about ten years, right?
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Well, this also means if one was to be wrecked, or there was a really bad fire, it could end one of them early, therefore really cramping the purpose of having each railroad a heritage unit.
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The Atlanta Olympics units went away. The Gulf War units went away. Many other specially painted units went away.

Guys, railroads are a business, not a show... shoot them while you can... and then move on.
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According to the CEO back in 2006 of the unveiling of UP1996, they will stay in Heritage colors for 10 years.
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The Atlanta Olympics units went away. The Gulf War units went away. Many other specially painted units went away.

Guys, railroads are a business, not a show... shoot them while you can... and then move on.
Well, there's a difference between the ones you mentioned and the current "heritage" units. The current units represent fallen flags while the Olympic and Golf War units represent a specific time and event in history. The latter units would certainly be dated, while the heritage units are timeless.

I'm more curious as to why they would want to change them back. Is the cost too much to maintain that paint job?
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Well, there's a difference between the ones you mentioned and the current "heritage" units. The current units represent fallen flags while the Olympic and Golf War units represent a specific time and event in history. The latter units would certainly be dated, while the heritage units are timeless.

I'm more curious as to why they would want to change them back. Is the cost too much to maintain that paint job?
You answered your own question.
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Once painted the cost to maintain them is the same. Buy a extra can of a different color IF they ever retouch them. Most likely they will NOT retouch them and the cost to maintain is ZERO.

I have a big problem with this talk of cost to paint a unit. IF you have painters on staff and you pay them to paint yellow or paint a non-yellow color the cost is only different for the actual paint.

Yes I think these were painted off-UP but UP has painters at shops around the system so it is not that big of deal. The RR waists more money idling trains in sidings and flying the CEOs around that on a few paint jobs.
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There was actually an article in Trains (I think, maybe R&R) about the expense involved in maintaining them (interviewed the UP folk involved).

The issue was the decals.

I'd love to see them keep them. In fact, with UP all over the map, what I'd really love to see is UP (and BNSF and CSX and NS and CP and CN for that matter) cut themselves up into divisions and have thoese divisions have their own unique paint schemes.

I'd also like to win the lottery.
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The Atlanta Olympics units went away. The Gulf War units went away. Many other specially painted units went away.

Guys, railroads are a business, not a show... shoot them while you can... and then move on.
The olympic locs have not been repainted they are still sporting the colors and the numbers. In 2008 they used to run between West Chicago IL and Belvidere, IL to the Chrysler Plant and then head into Chicago. I have not heard them on my scanner in 2009 with the way thing went last year with the economy.
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The olympic locs have not been repainted they are still sporting the colors and the numbers. In 2008 they used to run between West Chicago IL and Belvidere, IL to the Chrysler Plant and then head into Chicago. I have not heard them on my scanner in 2009 with the way thing went last year with the economy.
They are both due for the overhaul this year, as they debuted in 2000, and they have been roaming around the system recently, I caught 2002 in Texas in September with the 1983/1985
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The olympic locs have not been repainted they are still sporting the colors and the numbers.
Correct...but Freericks wasn't talking about the Salt Lake Olympic units.
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Correct...but Freericks wasn't talking about the Salt Lake Olympic units.
Given his age he was probably thinking about the Athens Olympic units

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Once painted the cost to maintain them is the same. Buy a extra can of a different color IF they ever retouch them. Most likely they will NOT retouch them and the cost to maintain is ZERO.

I have a big problem with this talk of cost to paint a unit. IF you have painters on staff and you pay them to paint yellow or paint a non-yellow color the cost is only different for the actual paint.

Yes I think these were painted off-UP but UP has painters at shops around the system so it is not that big of deal. The RR waists more money idling trains in sidings and flying the CEOs around that on a few paint jobs.
The cost to maintain those units has to be more. You get a discount when you buy the volume of yellow and gray paint that they do. Every shop on the system would have to stock colors that they don't get at a discount for all the heritage units that would ever be in there area. Paint only has so much of a shelf life on top of that. Can't ship it in because the rr never like power down time. The body wrap decals cost a ton and would need to be ordered when needed. Down time waiting for parts would just be a lot of wasted time. Some expenses like loco idle time are just part of the business where these units where one time public relation pieces.

I believe the predicted paint job is estimated to last 10 years and that is probably where that number comes from. To repaint that unit again would cost too much where the basic paint job will be cheaper. My guess some of the units may go well over 10 while others may go a little sooner.
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Given his age he was probably thinking about the Athens Olympic units

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Says the guy who's what, one year younger than me? As I recall the 1896 Athens Olympics J, you were already shaving.

Here are the engines I was referring to, for those who don't know.

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Says the guy who's what, one year younger than me? As I recall the 1896 Athens Olympics J, you were already shaving.
Yeah, true, for that matter I tried to go to see those Games but I couldn't find the venues. I even expanded my search into other parts of Georgia, but nothing.



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Papa Bush (it's unofficial nickname) has been at Jenks in Little Rock since last Fall. Reportedly it suffered some sort of massive failure (not sure if it was the prime mover or not). Apparently it still looks marvelous, but is no longer able to run under its own power.

I can only speculate that it's not being repaired due to the economy. No other reason to keep a perfectly good ACe OOS.

It is still in full 4141, Air Force One paint.
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Says the guy who's what, one year younger than me? As I recall the 1896 Athens Olympics J, you were already shaving.

Here are the engines I was referring to, for those who don't know.

The Atlanta Olympic units (should have driven to Santa Barbara that morning my mom called to say they were coming, but I didn't and I ended up never seeing them).

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If you were talking about my age I not that old. I was not reffering to the Athens engines. I was reffering to the locos numbered 2001& 2002
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If you were talking about my age I not that old. I was not reffering to the Athens engines. I was reffering to the locos numbered 2001& 2002
Bad Dog... just to clarify...

I refered to the Atlanta egines (there are no Athens engines) and you responded that I was wrong, but referred to the Salt Lake engines.

J jokingly said that I was so old that I wasn't talking about Atlanta but Athens (which would have made me a minimum of 130 years old).

I joked back that he was with me then.

No one was referring to you.

We got that you thought I meant the Salt Lake engines.

Let me know if this clears everything up.

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Bad Dog... just to clarify...

I refered to the Atlanta egines (there are no Athens engines) and you responded that I was wrong, but referred to the Salt Lake engines.

J jokingly said that I was so old that I wasn't talking about Atlanta but Athens (which would have made me a minimum of 130 years old).

I joked back that he was with me then.

No one was referring to you.

We got that you thought I meant the Salt Lake engines.

Let me know if this clears everything up.
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