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...[portion omitted].....As to what's being said about having models in pictures, you have to find someone you are friendly enough with pose, find a time they are free, in the case of freight trains, hope a train will be running the right way, figure out how to entertain them because not everyone is going to be cool just chilling for hours waiting for a train, or you have to hire models and pay by the hour.
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You can let me know what you want and I can set it up.

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i love platforms...they give me a sense of secrurity...I'LL LEAVE THE EFFING PLATFORM. next photo i upload will not be from that platform ok???
Thank goodness, BTW, you do know its illegal to photograph Amtrak trains at a station?

Just another reason not to shoot there. I never had a problem being around there, but that's because I'd wear my AMTK ID I have and I know all the officers/agents/managers very very well.
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That's incorrect as stated. Rather it is illiegal to photograph Amtrak trains from a station platform.
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I think both Steven and Peter are wrong. But Peter is probably more technically right than Steven. Amtrak has a policy against taking photos from a platform unless you have bought a ticket. That doesn't make it illegal. But if you don't have a ticket, than they can ask you to leave. If you don't, then you are trespassing which is illegal. That's my understanding anyway. Of course, you can shoot Amtrak pictures all day at stations if you are on public property.

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I think both Steven and Peter are wrong. But Peter is probably more technically right than Steven. Amtrak has a policy against taking photos from a platform unless you have bought a ticket. That doesn't make it illegal. But if you don't have a ticket, than they can ask you to leave. If you don't, then you are trespassing which is illegal. That's my understanding anyway. Of course, you can shoot Amtrak pictures all day at stations if you are on public property.

Waiting for the next guy to come along and tell us that we're all wrong.
Come on, I'm trying to scare him away from that platform!
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Come on, I'm trying to scare him away from that platform!
Tell him that El Roco hangs out at that platform along with his Fullerton crew.. That should do the trick.

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Tell him that El Roco hangs out at that platform along with his Fullerton crew.. That should do the trick.

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El Roco is now named Chase, just ask him about that Fullerton Friday a few weeks ago...!
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i love platforms...they give me a sense of secrurity...I'LL LEAVE THE EFFING PLATFORM. next photo i upload will not be from that platform ok???
I don't know why you feel secure around a platform. I've encountered WAY more creeps around an Amtrak station than at Emigrant Gap, Pulga, the Causeway in Davis, etc. The only place you should be worried about is Alta but trust me it will be awhile before your up there.
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...[portion omitted]....Waiting for the next guy to come along and tell us that we're all wrong.
You are, and where do you all get this stuff from?

You know Amtrak has a photo policy and it is on their Web Site.

http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/Conten...=1241267362248

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Thank goodness, BTW, you do know its illegal to photograph Amtrak trains at a station?

Just another reason not to shoot there. I never had a problem being around there, but that's because I'd wear my AMTK ID I have and I know all the officers/agents/managers very very well.
yeah i know the rules but at emeryville i know the baggage atendant and the security guy has come up to me and said "you know i don't mind if you photograph, so blah, blah etc..."

and at JLS the little golf cart with security has driven by me several times, and said hello...never been bothered by security personnel
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You are, and where do you all get this stuff from?

You know Amtrak has a photo policy and it is on their Web Site.

http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/Conten...=1241267362248
How is he wrong? The page states that platforms without a ticket are restricted areas.
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i was joking about a "sense of security"... AMTK ID badge?
i'd be more afraid of youtube's extremepadrefan at fullerton then our socalled el roco...who/what is el roco anyway?
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i was joking about a "sense of security"... AMTK ID badge?

Know the right people, or be related to an Amtrak manager, and you get certain ID's that let you roam everywhere.
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I'd watch out for EL ROCO. Yeah. Watch out. I hear he gets really bitchy when there's no Swift containers going by, or when Amtrak is late.
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yeah i know the rules but at emeryville i know the baggage atendant and the security guy has come up to me and said "you know i don't mind if you photograph, so blah, blah etc..."
Do you have a platform fetish? (Keeping up with Obscar's fetishes...)
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How is he wrong? The page states that platforms without a ticket are restricted areas.
When there are signs stating that the platform and/or station are for ticketed persons only.

If there is no sign, then you can be there.
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According to the photo policy, there MAY be a sign distinguishing it, but that doesn't mean if there isn't a sign you have permission to be there. Now I don't care what you or anyone does, its not a deal, even a little one at all, and I have never been hassled at any platforms, but that is just my take on the wording of the policy.
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There seems to be quite a lot of ambiguity with this policy. I think if he's asking permission and the staff don't object, then he's doing the right thing. I think half the time, they don't really care, they just don't know what your doing if you don't say.

And of course, Amtrak doesn't own Jack London Square, the Port of Oakland does. That could complicate things.

As for the core issue, I think the whole street running is very interesting. Fire up google maps and explore the possibilities.

And be glad it's nice there. It's been cloudy for weeks here I feel like.
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As for the core issue, I think the whole street running is very interesting. Fire up google maps and explore the possibilities.
Sometimes I wish I still lived 10 minutes away from it, I've got shots I still want to get... Guess they made vacations for a reason, right?

Sigh, just can't imagine vacationing in Jack London Square...
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According to the photo policy, there MAY be a sign distinguishing it, but that doesn't mean if there isn't a sign you have permission to be there. Now I don't care what you or anyone does, its not a deal, even a little one at all, and I have never been hassled at any platforms, but that is just my take on the wording of the policy.
Ok, based on your interpretation of the policy, how did this happen?

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The cop never asked if I was a ticketed passenger (I was at the time) and there are no signs at LAUST that limit access to the platform to ticketed persons only.

The question you need to ask is if I am not allowed to photograph Amtrak trains from a platform, then why didn't the officer address that?
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Well thats like a conductor waving while you are standing on RR Property, not everyone is going to enforce/care about the rule.
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My interpretation of that is that you could be there to get on a Metrolink. So, you can stay. Ha Ha.
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