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I get riled when the daytime boys try to tell me how to shoot my night shots

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Hey now, I have a handful of night shots on RP (and other places).
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I'm with Loyd. It's not worth doing the double exposure to correct the numberboards. Besides, it doesn't always look very realistic, when you have light halos surrounding the number boards.

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Old 11-30-2011, 12:10 AM   #29
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I'm with Loyd. It's not worth doing the double exposure to correct the numberboards. Besides, it doesn't always look very realistic, when you have light halos surrounding the number boards.

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If you have halos, then you're not doing it right. It's just so simple...it's worth doing.

Here's a shot I "fixed" for my friend Aaron. Prior to going out to shoot this, I told him to take two exposures, one with the number boards exposed correctly, and then I'd process it for him. The correctly processed shot for the train had blown out number boards. So, do you see any halos?

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Right. Expose for the train/scene/whatever, then expose for the lights. Create a separate layer with the "expose for the lights" shot, and then using a layer mask, "paint" out the blown lights exposing the properly exposed lights on the layer below. Combine layers, VOILA!

It's so brainlessly easy, I don't know why more people don't do it.
I double processed one raw file to bring the lights back to color. The photo can look fake or unnatural if you don't allow slight overexposure.

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I double processed one raw file to bring the lights back to color. The photo can look fake or unnatural if you don't allow slight overexposure.
Very nice!
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Yea, if you have halo's you are not doing it right... it really dont take much effort.

Here's a good example (just look at the numberboards, I know the shot itself is lacking, but I didnt want to trespass)

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If you have halos, then you're not doing it right. It's just so simple...it's worth doing.

Here's a shot I "fixed" for my friend Aaron. Prior to going out to shoot this, I told him to take two exposures, one with the number boards exposed correctly, and then I'd process it for him. The correctly processed shot for the train had blown out number boards. So, do you see any halos?

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Your idea is very effective where you have different light sources helping expose the locomotive, but I haven't found a solution for when you're in an area with very little, to no light. If your only light source is of that of a numberboard or running light, by the time you finally do properly expose the nose (whether you're using moon light, etc.) you will have blown out numberboards. A single layer (exposing the numberboards) will not correct that, I've tried.

That said, unless it considerably comes off as distracting, I left them be blown out. That's sort of borderline manipulation anyway, by the time you layer things over, etc.

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Old 11-30-2011, 02:00 AM   #34
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Chase beat me to it. Come out here in the woods and pop off a 5-10-20 minute exposure and then fix those numberboards for me..

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I extend an offer to you and anyone else who wants. Next time you try one of those night shots, snap off one exposed for the numberboard, then send me the raw's, and let me have my hand at it. Worst case scenario, it sucks and I am wrong.
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Your idea is very effective where you have different light sources helping expose the locomotive, but I haven't found a solution for when you're in an area with very little, to no light. If your only light source is of that of a numberboard or running light, by the time you finally do properly expose the nose (whether you're using moon light, etc.) you will have blown out numberboards. A single layer (exposing the numberboards) will not correct that, I've tried.

That said, unless it considerably comes off as distracting, I left them be blown out. That's sort of borderline manipulation anyway, by the time you layer things over, etc.

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It's not manipulation at all considering you're bringing the exposure closer to reality. You don't see blown out number boards or sides of the CP Holiday train in real life, do you? No. So how is that manipulation? Quite simply, it's fixing something your camera can't create because of the limitation of how much range of light it can process at once during an exposure.

And you can certainly take several photos, increasing the shutter speed with each exposure to find the right number board exposure that wouldn't leave halos.

You're making it sound more complicated than it is. If you're using a tripod, there's no excuse NOT to make an attempt at it (other than laziness).
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I extend an offer to you and anyone else who wants. Next time you try one of those night shots, snap off one exposed for the numberboard, then send me the raw's, and let me have my hand at it. Worst case scenario, it sucks and I am wrong.
Here's a preview of one you can try. Lemme know

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Chase beat me to it. Come out here in the woods and pop off a 5-10-20 minute exposure and then fix those numberboards for me..

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Apples and oranges now, Loyd. Certainly what you're referring to is far from the examples I commented on (CP train) and posted (IC 101 night shot).

All I'm asking is for ONE person to produce one of these CP Holiday train bridge shots without the train being blown out.
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Speaking of manipulation - which one is accurate?

Was it a night scene or a day scene under exposed?
EXIF would set things straight but it's not there.

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Here's an example of one I did recently. In the original exposure, the number board was blown all to hell:



And another where the number board was completely white and blown out:

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Apples and oranges now, Loyd. Certainly what you're referring to is far from the examples I commented on (CP train) and posted (IC 101 night shot).

All I'm asking is for ONE person to produce one of these CP Holiday train bridge shots without the train being blown out.
I'm from Appalachia.. I don't know what you talk about when you mention the CP Holiday Train and these other urban areas.. That just confuses me.

I thought those bright numberboards were used for focusing in otherwise, pitch black scenes?

I'll give it a try, Jim and if you're right, I'll buy you a beer when I turn 21 and we'll discuss this further at the "400".

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And another where the number board was completely white and blown out:

Which you can see in the mud puddle.
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I'm from Appalachia.. I don't know what you talk about when you mention the CP Holiday Train and these other urban areas.. That just confuses me.


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No no no...I'm sure you can't avoid it then.

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Which you can see in the mud puddle.
Yep, proof they were blown out, seeing as the water reflection is typically darker.
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Which you can see in the mud puddle.
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