Old 09-13-2017, 01:18 PM   #1
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Hello all, posting this both for comments and because of the thread about there being no threads, so I figured I'd get one going.
Had this rejection for composition being too tight. This is a landscape shot that was cropped vertical so I have lots of room left and right, as well as some on the bottom. What would lead to this being too tight?I think that the left/right centered shot works for this location but interested what others think. Thanks.

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Old 09-13-2017, 01:38 PM   #2
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That's a lot of empty sky- maybe they meant "too loose".
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I think they were saying that both the sky at the top and the ballast at the bottom are boring.....and are wondering why you cropped it so tall. There are some potentially interesting features on either side of the train, such as some water that is barely visible on the left and a nice train shadow on the right. I would go shorter on the vertical (get rid of the very top and bottom) and go wider. Perhaps use a 4:5 vertical crop and see how that works. This is too tall and thin.
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Old 09-13-2017, 03:17 PM   #4
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Kevin, Do you think I should include more water or more shadow? I had tried a landscape crop earlier but had issues to get the train close to a rule of thirds point with a crop that included both side elements. I will try the 4x5 crop after work as well.
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Hi Joseph,

Stay vertical, but go less tall and more wide. I suggested the 4:5 crop because it should have the desired effect. The current crop is more like 2:3....too tall and narrow. You want to clip a bunch of the sky and a little of the bottom, but get wider in the middle. You can still keep the nose of the train in the bottom 3rd, but show more of the surroundings, hopefully, some of the body of water and more of the train shadow.
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Old 09-14-2017, 02:22 AM   #6
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Thanks Kevin, I actually ended up trying out a landscape version to include more of the water and was pleased with the result.
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Yes, the accepted version is far more pleasing!
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Old 09-15-2017, 01:00 PM   #8
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While I have you here talking about composition, thoughts on these two? I realize that one has a backlit element to it due to the meet and the other is cloudy, but I'd like to just look at the composition piece. At the very least, I can learn for next time.
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Old 09-15-2017, 01:33 PM   #9
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Hi Joseph,

I'm hardly an artist, but here's my $.02:

First one: I think the screener would like to see the two trains closer. Yes, you have a signal bridge, but it's still like a big hole in the center of the image. I think RP would prefer that more of the frame be filled with the approaching train. Also, I might do some more work on the shadows. The foreground is utterly dominated by darkness. Probably not an RP candidate.

Second one: Subject (train) is too close to the top of the frame and the bottom isn't all that interesting. Show less swamp and more sky. It may still not be an RP candidate, but I think the composition would be better.
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