Old 05-27-2010, 05:03 PM   #1
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Hi team,

The bad cropping gods are after me again

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=818290&key=0

How would you modify the crop of this picture so that I has a chance to be accepted to the database? As usual, many thanks in advance for your guidance.

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Old 05-27-2010, 05:26 PM   #2
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It's almost as though there is a grid of thirds that the screeners use on their display and if the front of the loco is not on one of those intersections, you get "bad cropping." JMHO.

So here, in an otherwise excellent shot, perhaps the screener found the loco too low and the mountain too high?

Just a guess.

I like also like the recent thought that the screeners are encouraging us to make the shot the best we can and not a "this is rejected because it sucks" shot.
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Old 05-27-2010, 06:51 PM   #3
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What about a looser crop? I see two things you can do here.

1 - Crop a lot off the top, so that the bridge becomes more of a focal point.
2 - Use a looser crop, so to make the mountains really appear to tower over the train.
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I was gonna suggest a little off the right. Personally I think it looks fine as is
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Old 05-27-2010, 08:02 PM   #5
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It's almost as though there is a grid of thirds that the screeners use on their display and if the front of the loco is not on one of those intersections, you get "bad cropping." JMHO.
There's thousands of shots in the database that prove this theory wrong.

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1 - Crop a lot off the top, so that the bridge becomes more of a focal point.
I don't think you need to change the shot so drastically. I would lose the extra sky you have, leaving only a little sliver over the tallest mountain. I would also add a bit to the bottom to show more of the valley the bridge spans. Crop it like that and I see it getting on easily.

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I like Paolo's thought of a looser crop, esp. if you have more on the bottom. I do think the train is too low in the frame. Another thought is more off the right and some of the top.
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My take on a crop would be like this. I dunno, I thought I'd just throw it out there.

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My take on a crop would be like this. I dunno, I thought I'd just throw it out there.

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Not a bd way to go at all if he can't go looser.
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Many thanks for all your good ideas Gentlemen! It's quite late now here. I will have another trial tomorrow.

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Aren't you in the UK? it's ONLY 10 PM
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Chris' crop is definately a goer!
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My take on a crop would be like this. I dunno, I thought I'd just throw it out there.

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Arg - this is one of those issues where a few words from the screener would go A LONG WAY towards making the site more enjoyable to REGULAR posters with perceived MINOR issues on great photographs. Perhaps something even as simple as admin adding an additional check box stating: "We like it, though it is of my opinion that the processing and/ or cropping can be improved". Without such, RP risks aggravating new and regulars alike, some of which may elect not to take such advice.

I think as is the shot works as is and is better then a good amount of what has been posted today, or even through the week. ON THE OTHER HAND, an alternate version may be more appealing.

Daniel - you did nothing wrong but the "advice" is beneficial. Thinking as I do, you likely aimed to keep the sky and the full bridge and tunnel. However, sometimes "key" elements are not as important to the image as we like to believe.

I submit two crops which I think both work equally, though with different character and do in fact enhance the photo in emphasizing the train better:

Chris's crop is nice but a bit tight on the tunnel. The second alternate allows you to keep the blue sky, should you feel it's "too key" to let go.

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There's thousands of shots in the database that prove this theory wrong.
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Not so much a theory but conjecture trying ascertain just why this photo was rejected.

And point in fact, there are ten's of thousands of shots in the DB that prove this "theory" right.
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Aren't you in the UK? it's ONLY 10 PM
Nope !!! I am in France, so you add one hour to the UK time ....11 PM is late when you have to get up at 5 AM
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Glad to see you didn't eliminate the sky as some suggested. I think you'd lose the prespective of how big the hills are if you had cut the tops off. I could have used a little more at the bottom, but that's just me being picky. Glad to see it made it in, well worth both the hike and post-processing effort.

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Glad to see you didn't eliminate the sky as some suggested. I think you'd lose the prespective of how big the hills are if you had cut the tops off. I could have used a little more at the bottom, but that's just me being picky. Glad to see it made it in, well worth both the hike and post-processing effort.

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Again, thaks to all your input. Together we did it

Chris, I have tried to add more at the bottom of the picture as you suggest, but then the photo would have become too square I believe and I did not want to add more to both sides.
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Glad to see you didn't eliminate the sky as some suggested. I think you'd lose the prespective of how big the hills are if you had cut the tops off. Glad to see it made it in, well worth both the hike and post-processing effort.

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Couldn't agree more.

Congrats!

Hmmm... You say you were exhausted from the climb? So that road in the upper right is not 10' behind you?
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Couldn't agree more.

Congrats!

Hmmm... You say you were exhausted from the climb? So that road in the upper right is not 10' behind you?
Dennis,

No, no no !!!! The group was travelling in the caboose of the train. Only a few of us decided to climb to the top of this hill for this shot. I have to confess that this was the third runpast on the same bridge. This gave us sufficient time to get there. But, as I mentioned before, I was exhausted. It would have been much more easier twenty years ago !!
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Again, thaks to all your input. Together we did it
Looks good, Daniel. By the way, a CP filter could have made that scene look stunning.
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