Old 12-08-2008, 10:49 PM   #1
bigbassloyd
Senior Member
 
bigbassloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hilldale, West Virginia
Posts: 3,726
Default Why I no longer love my Canon S3IS

As an early Christmas present, my loving wife allowed me to purchase a new camera. After some looking around, I decided on a Canon XS with the 18-55mm IS kit lens and a Canon EF-S 55-250 IS lens. Nothing fancy, but I was hoping for a step up from my old trusty Canon S3IS, which to this point I was decently happy with.

Saturday evening began with a very heavy snowfall, which is a typical no-shoot with the S3. ISO 100 didn't yield anything close to a fast enough shutter speed, and ISO 200 turns out a noisy mess. So with the XS I setup for the typical wedgie; 1/320th, f8, ISO 800 and clicked away.

Image ©
PhotoID:
Photograph ©


No comparison between the two. This shot hasn't had a drop of noise reduction, and in my opinion, turned out very good.

The next morning, I found myself at Hawks Nest, in a half foot of snow. This type of shot (long distance) has been problematic with the S3 as well. The focus was hard to nail down, and the image quality was generally less than hoped for. After waiting a couple hours, Amtrak 50 made its way eastbound. 1/320th, f8 ISO 400

Image © Loyd Lowry
PhotoID: 262729
Photograph © Loyd Lowry


Another vast improvement. The focus was easy to nail down, and the shot was much more crisp than I could ever hope for with my S3.

Finally, another two hours passed, and the reason I stood out in the cold and snow all this time appeared. Again, another shot that wouldn't be possible with the S3. 1/400th, f10, ISO 400.

Image © Loyd Lowry
PhotoID: 262709
Photograph © Loyd Lowry


After owning this camera for 3 days, I've gotten 3 accepted photos during a snowfall. To that point, only 1 out of many using the S3 was good enough to pass inspection.

After defending the PAS crowd for so long, I hate to say this, but ever owning another PAS is completely out of the question. I wasn't fond of the old Canon kit lens before, but these two IS versions are a big improvement over them, and the flexibility of the camera versus what a PAS offers is way higher. If you're serious about your hobby, and want the ability to just shoot no matter what the conditions, or the scene is. Buy a DSLR.

Loyd L.
__________________
Social Media elevates the absurd and mediocre to a point where they aren't anymore, and that is a tragedy.

My personal photography site
bigbassloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2008, 11:07 PM   #2
Walter S
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 1,023
Send a message via AIM to Walter S
Default

Now you will have people telling you "You have a expensive DSLR, I could take good photos like that if I had that camera". Congrats on the purchase Loyd and enjoy the new toy!
Walter S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2008, 11:28 PM   #3
Ween
Senior Member
 
Ween's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,861
Default

Congrats, Loyd. Glad you finally put two and two together!!
__________________
Ween is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2008, 11:52 PM   #4
JRMDC
Senior Member
 
JRMDC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 11,202
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbassloyd
After defending the PAS crowd for so long, I hate to say this, but ever owning another PAS is completely out of the question. I wasn't fond of the old Canon kit lens before, but these two IS versions are a big improvement over them, and the flexibility of the camera versus what a PAS offers is way higher. If you're serious about your hobby, and want the ability to just shoot no matter what the conditions, or the scene is. Buy a DSLR.
Congrats, Loyd!

I was in the camera shop today conversing with a staff member, and he said they are selling a lot of low-end DSLRs this season - Nikon D40, Canon XS, Sony A200 - to people who are not satisfied with their P/S because it reacts too slowly to get shots of children.
__________________
My RP pix are here.
My Flickr pix are here.

My commentaries on rail pictures are in my blog.

RP Photo Albums:
Cabooses
Engine Details
Farm and Train
Plumes!
Railroad Details
Signal Details
Switchstand Shots
JRMDC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2008, 12:24 AM   #5
JimThias
Senior Member
 
JimThias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 9,800
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbassloyd

Image ©
PhotoID:
Photograph ©

WTF? Why didn't that shot get hit with a soft rejection??


JimThias is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2008, 12:27 AM   #6
bigbassloyd
Senior Member
 
bigbassloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hilldale, West Virginia
Posts: 3,726
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimThias
WTF? Why didn't that shot get hit with a soft rejection??


stick to being the master of leveling...

Loyd L.
__________________
Social Media elevates the absurd and mediocre to a point where they aren't anymore, and that is a tragedy.

My personal photography site
bigbassloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2008, 01:49 AM   #7
Darryl Rule
Senior Member
 
Darryl Rule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 260
Default

Congrats and welcome to the world of Big Boy toys!!!
__________________
View my Railpictures Photos
Darryl Rule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2008, 04:15 AM   #8
ottergoose
American Gunzel
 
ottergoose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Eagan, MN
Posts: 1,626
Send a message via AIM to ottergoose Send a message via Yahoo to ottergoose
Default

Just wait until he gets his first L glass...
__________________
Nick Benson | Pictures | Website | Flickr | Profile | JetPhotos | Twitter
ottergoose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2008, 04:41 AM   #9
stevenmwelch
Senior Member
 
stevenmwelch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Minot, ND
Posts: 720
Send a message via AIM to stevenmwelch Send a message via Yahoo to stevenmwelch
Default

Well, Loyd... Great minds think alike. I just bought myself an early XMas present in the Rebel XS, with the 18-55 and 75-300.

SMW- All the shots are beautiful!

And, here's the one accepted today I took of the newbie XS:

Image © Steven M. Welch
PhotoID: 262878
Photograph © Steven M. Welch
__________________
Steven M. Welch
Minot, ND
I gots my floaties and I'm ready to go railroadin' in Minot.
My Photos on RP
My RP Rejects and then Some

Last edited by stevenmwelch; 12-09-2008 at 05:59 AM.
stevenmwelch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2008, 10:16 AM   #10
milwman
I shoot what I like
 
milwman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Cedar Fall's, Iowa
Posts: 2,474
Send a message via Yahoo to milwman
Default

Loyd and Steven you both have grown as photographers and have good eye's for shots.
__________________
Richard Scott Marsh I go by Scott long story

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22299476@N05/
milwman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2008, 12:09 AM   #11
lock4244
Senior Member
 
lock4244's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: The City Below Vaughan
Posts: 1,048
Default

Congrats.

Without question a DSLR will always slap a PAS silly. Attempting serious photography with a PAS is like using a stone to drive a nail home... it can be done, but the results with a hammer are much better. Right tool for the job makes all the difference.

I have always found it ironic that PAS is so close to POS.
__________________
Mike Lockwood

Insert witty comment here

Hot girl on girl action here!

More Pics Here
lock4244 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2008, 03:53 AM   #12
ssw9662
Senior Member
 
ssw9662's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 839
Default

Congrats Loyd and Steven!

Count me into the DSLR newcomer club--as I mentioned in another thread I purchased the XSi last week and I love it. While I haven't got a photo accepted onto RP with it yet (largely thanks to the fact that my three trips with it were on cloudy days with no snowfall), I'm amazed with the quality of the images. Definitely a big step up from a point and shoot!
__________________
Austin
Canon EOS 7D
Canon 70-200mm f/4 L
Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM
Canon 50mm f/1.8
My Railpictures.net Photos
flickr
ssw9662 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2008, 01:49 AM   #13
Northern Limits
Senior Member
 
Northern Limits's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: B.C. Canada
Posts: 611
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lock4244
Congrats.

Without question a DSLR will always slap a PAS silly. Attempting serious photography with a PAS is like using a stone to drive a nail home... it can be done, but the results with a hammer are much better. Right tool for the job makes all the difference.

I have always found it ironic that PAS is so close to POS.

PPPTHRRRR
Holding on to my lovely G9 until they make a full frame DSLR that I can afford and will last as long as my ELAN.
__________________
Cheers, Jim.


Click Here to view my photos at RailPictures.Net!
Northern Limits is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2008, 12:58 PM   #14
lock4244
Senior Member
 
lock4244's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: The City Below Vaughan
Posts: 1,048
Default

PPPTHRRRR... I don't know what that means.
__________________
Mike Lockwood

Insert witty comment here

Hot girl on girl action here!

More Pics Here
lock4244 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2008, 02:33 PM   #15
BarrySr
Senior Member
 
BarrySr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Arlington, Tx.; home of the Texas Chokers
Posts: 225
Send a message via Yahoo to BarrySr
Thumbs up

Welcome to the club, Loyd! Glad you like the XS; is it the XS or XSi you got?

I got the XSi some months back and have not looked back since. I am SOLD on IS! I have the same lenses as you, and I am amazed at the quality of the 55-250; I shoot with it more than the other.

Probably don't have to tell you, but always remember, shoot RAW!

BarrySr
Kingwood, TX
__________________
BarrySr
KE5YYR


"I dug 'dem boats when diggin' em wasn't cool"


"Why are the crazy people so enamorate of all things EMD?" [Holloran Grade]

____________________

View My Photos on Railpictures.net
BarrySr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2008, 10:45 PM   #16
Northern Limits
Senior Member
 
Northern Limits's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: B.C. Canada
Posts: 611
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lock4244
PPPTHRRRR... I don't know what that means.
Ha ha, something like a loud razz, but I don't know how to spell those mature sounds.
__________________
Cheers, Jim.


Click Here to view my photos at RailPictures.Net!
Northern Limits is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2008, 10:53 PM   #17
bigbassloyd
Senior Member
 
bigbassloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hilldale, West Virginia
Posts: 3,726
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BarrySr
Welcome to the club, Loyd! Glad you like the XS; is it the XS or XSi you got?

I got the XSi some months back and have not looked back since. I am SOLD on IS! I have the same lenses as you, and I am amazed at the quality of the 55-250; I shoot with it more than the other.

Probably don't have to tell you, but always remember, shoot RAW!

BarrySr
Kingwood, TX
The difference in the XSI wasn't enough to justify the price increase, so I went with the XS.

For now though, I'm just shooting jpeg. RAW is in the forecast later on though.

Loyd L.
__________________
Social Media elevates the absurd and mediocre to a point where they aren't anymore, and that is a tragedy.

My personal photography site
bigbassloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2008, 11:19 PM   #18
lock4244
Senior Member
 
lock4244's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: The City Below Vaughan
Posts: 1,048
Default

Jim... you seem to get great results with your equipment, but a PAS lacks the flexibility of a DSLR like changible lenses, battery packs (increasing burst rates amongst other advantages), speedlights, etc. I can burst something like 21 frames (average is closer to 15)... really handy in falling snow if the flakes are big enough to block the subject should one pass the lens at the moment the shot is made. Also, my D200 equipped with the battery pack/vertical grip looks cool... makes me feel like a big man

Loyd, I agree with Barry, don't wait to shoot RAW files. Very sound advice.
__________________
Mike Lockwood

Insert witty comment here

Hot girl on girl action here!

More Pics Here
lock4244 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2008, 11:42 PM   #19
bigbassloyd
Senior Member
 
bigbassloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hilldale, West Virginia
Posts: 3,726
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lock4244

Loyd, I agree with Barry, don't wait to shoot RAW files. Very sound advice.
I'm not in a terrible hurry. I've never suffered from messing up the white balance, or the exposure to this point. I will start shooting some RAW to build experience, but I don't want to turn into an editor, more than a photographer

Loyd L.
__________________
Social Media elevates the absurd and mediocre to a point where they aren't anymore, and that is a tragedy.

My personal photography site
bigbassloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 12:16 AM   #20
Northern Limits
Senior Member
 
Northern Limits's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: B.C. Canada
Posts: 611
Default

And Mike, don't forget your much bigger sensor.

One day I'll make the switch, but in the mean time I'm saving up for some L glass while I extol my G9.
__________________
Cheers, Jim.


Click Here to view my photos at RailPictures.Net!
Northern Limits is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 07:48 PM   #21
Bicot
Junior Member
 
Bicot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Québec, Canada
Posts: 15
Default

Congrats Loyd,
I made a similar move a year ago from an S2IS to an XTi and sold the S2 two weeks after! Tell me, did your S3 start to get slower and less precise in focusing after some time? I've heard some people complain about this on the S series...
__________________
Don't worry, we'll never make it alive!

Bicot (Marc Caya)
Bicot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 09:44 PM   #22
bigbassloyd
Senior Member
 
bigbassloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hilldale, West Virginia
Posts: 3,726
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bicot
Congrats Loyd,
I made a similar move a year ago from an S2IS to an XTi and sold the S2 two weeks after! Tell me, did your S3 start to get slower and less precise in focusing after some time? I've heard some people complain about this on the S series...
Actually, I was noticing that after 10,000 shots the manual focus was getting very picking. I never shot with auto focus, so no idea there.

It was also starting to do some screwy stuff with the way it was saving photos too.

Loyd L.
__________________
Social Media elevates the absurd and mediocre to a point where they aren't anymore, and that is a tragedy.

My personal photography site
bigbassloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2008, 04:40 AM   #23
LSRC Railfan
Senior Member
 
LSRC Railfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 274
Default

Quote:
Yesterday 03:48 PM
Bicot Congrats Loyd,
I made a similar move a year ago from an S2IS to an XTi and sold the S2 two weeks after! Tell me, did your S3 start to get slower and less precise in focusing after some time? I've heard some people complain about this on the S series...
The same thing happened to my and my S2! It ever so slowly stopped focusing right. My S2 is sold now, thank God.
LSRC Railfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2008, 12:27 PM   #24
BarrySr
Senior Member
 
BarrySr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Arlington, Tx.; home of the Texas Chokers
Posts: 225
Send a message via Yahoo to BarrySr
Smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbassloyd
I'm not in a terrible hurry. I've never suffered from messing up the white balance, or the exposure to this point. I will start shooting some RAW to build experience, but I don't want to turn into an editor, more than a photographer

Loyd L.
I understand that; I was the same. I found though, amoung other things, that 1.) had to change the sharpness level from the default 3 to the max, which is 7, which leads to 2.) if you shoot RAW, you can bump that level to 10 in DPP RAW tab (Canon Digital Photo Professional). There IS a big difference in those levels. Try it out.
__________________
BarrySr
KE5YYR


"I dug 'dem boats when diggin' em wasn't cool"


"Why are the crazy people so enamorate of all things EMD?" [Holloran Grade]

____________________

View My Photos on Railpictures.net
BarrySr is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:14 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.