Old 10-30-2011, 04:55 PM   #1
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Kind of speechless on this reject. You have no idea what I want through to get this shot, lol...
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This one, I am not really seeing the reject either (soft), even though it's just a wedge
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:40 PM   #2
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I like the first one a lot, but I feel like there's too much on the right. You framed it correctly though.

Second one looks okay to me, but I'd go in and maybe just spot-sharpen the front of the engine.
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You parked, and walked into the creek.

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Kind of speechless on this reject. You have no idea what I want through to get this shot, lol...
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Maybe try a more square-ish crop, Troy? I know it will probably end up with the covered bridge "floating" (no apparent support from the abutments), but taking chunks off the sides and a bit from the top (plus adding some to the reflection on the bottom, if you have the pixels) might help this one get in. Regardless: I like it a lot.
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Everything looks just barely cut off in the first one, like you almost have the full reflection, you almost have the full covered bridge. I know a reshoots not gonna happen but just my thoughts, its still interesting, what David said will probably work.
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You parked, and walked into the creek.
I went in BAREFOOT! I made a huge mistake, my feet were killing me afterwards, I underestimated the sharpness of those little rocks in the creek. I was wearing jeans too, which were soaking wet almost to the knee afterwards.

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Everything looks just barely cut off in the first one, like you almost have the full reflection, you almost have the full covered bridge. I know a reshoots not gonna happen but just my thoughts, its still interesting, what David said will probably work.
It was one of those things that the only way I could have gotten it perfect is by trying several times, and I was there for 1 day, basically a few hours because of weather. I was about 8 inches off the water in a little more than ankle deep cold water. I was not sure I would get ANY reflection, or if the train would even be fully visible. I was at 17mm on a 5D, it was as wide as I could get. I actually cropped some off the top because I was able to get MOST of the bridge, but not the whole thing on top and it looked awkwardly cut off. If I backed up, the train would not have been visible at all due to angles. I think given the conditions I lucked out on a first attempt. Next time I go there I will bring croks or sandals or something and maybe borrow a 14mm Canon.

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The number boards on the second one look a little soft. That's probably what the screener was locking in on.

The water in the first shot looks unlevel as well, probably due to the weird w/a distortion going on there.
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How about this: Made it more symetrical on the sides.

Or vertical crop (not a fan...)
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Gotcha, yeah I see what you mean how it wouldve been harder to back off any more. The new horizontal edit looks much better for one reason or the other.
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Gotcha, yeah I see what you mean how it wouldve been harder to back off any more. The new horizontal edit looks much better for one reason or the other.
If I backed up, due to the angle, the trestle would be cut off, my only option would be to lower my camera, which was not an option, as it was only a few inches above the water.

I had considered taking a more angled shot from the right bank, but the sun angle would have worked against me.
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...my only option would be to lower my camera, which was not an option, as it was only a few inches above the water.
How so, were you laying in the water? Your 5D doesn't have a flip screen, does it?

And I think the scene would have been good enough that the sun angle wouldn't have mattered from the bank of the river.
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tis a whore of a spot to shoot. I've got a folder full of humpback bridge fails...

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If I backed up, due to the angle, the trestle would be cut off, my only option would be to lower my camera, which was not an option, as it was only a few inches above the water.
Next time, bring a deep bowl from your kitchen to set the camera in so you can get the lens right at water level without too much risk of soaking the body. If you don't have three or four hands to pull this off, you might need to bring along an assistant or build some kind of rig to hold the camera in the bowl, or maybe operate a cable release with your mouth.

I think you have too much on the right in the horizontal version; it still feels unbalanced. Of the two, I like the vertical more.
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How so, were you laying in the water? Your 5D doesn't have a flip screen, does it?

And I think the scene would have been good enough that the sun angle wouldn't have mattered from the bank of the river.
I was wading in shin deep water, camera on a tripod with the legs spread as wide as they could go. To frame it, I had to bend way down to look through the viewfinder, it was a lot of fun.
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tis a whore of a spot to shoot. I've got a folder full of humpback bridge fails...

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I did a quick search and didnt find any on RP, that kind of surprised me. Or I used the wrong terms to search for.
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Here is a highly detailed technical diagram of the scene so you all can analyze it further...

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Calendar material!!!

Send it to CSX and /or McMillan Press!



Not sure how to fix it, but, it does not help that I want to duck when I look at it. Looks like a nice enough location without the need for the foreground bridge. If you want to keep it, maybe try it again but with a wider lens.

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My two cents ...

The humpback is too in your face. I would crop across the top, sure you lose the top edge but you still see the curve and you reduce the weight of the object within the frame.

It also puts the train into an upper rule of thirds position which works well here.

Really nice attempt, I hope you find a way to make it work.
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It's a bad spot to shoot. The trees, locations of the bridges, and sun angles all conspire to screw you over.

One day I'll have a success there.. maybe

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can you shoot from the other side of the train with the wood bridge in the background?

The shot in question has excellent image quality and processing.
The composition is interesting, which should be rewarded IMO.
Like Janusz, I would crop a bit off the top to try and make it less imposing. that would accentuate the reflection too, which right now is kind of hidden.
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It's a bad spot to shoot. The trees, locations of the bridges, and sun angles all conspire to screw you over.
Those rocks were conspiring to kill me. I spent a little time there, and it was interesting reading grafitti in the bridge from the 60's...

I had driven by there before but never thought to stop. There is a covered bridge in Phillipi, WV (or PA?) that I want to try to get a shot at, but every time I have been there, no trains to be found.
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I liked the shot, but I can see why it's not RP material. It's one of those locations that you think to yourself "there's a shot here, but why haven't I seen it?", then when you do further investigating, you realize why you haven't seen it.. It's a challenging location.

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Submit the drawing!

That is great.

I think the bridge that is closest to you is to heavy, in that there is too much of it in the frame.
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Guess i'ts just not happening

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That is too bad. My one suggestion for a reshoot would be to go forward maybe a foot, and open up the sky above the train a bit. The arch is really squishing down on it.

Please give it another go. It might have to wait until next year, the fall color really livens it up.
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