Old 05-29-2009, 04:12 AM   #1
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Tower 18 had that title up until 1943 when the subway opened and today hosts five of the city's eight color routes, so it's still pretty busy. I didn't know whether the tower or the train should get the back light, they both can't be lighted together and the first try got a high sun, probably the truck ducking into the shadow under the car, but that is one of the tightest radii.
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My last accepted photo taught me to loosen up my cropping,
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=285304

so I've tried everything. If you don't know by now, besides curves I also like complicated trackwork.

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Well maybe the bottom track should have been included. Thanks in advance for any help you guys can point me in the direction to.

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Old 05-29-2009, 04:17 AM   #2
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Just plain bad angle honestly, you have tracks going every way, why out of all angles, with a subway at that would you shoot the train in that position. Shoot a train on the nearest track coming towards you and i think it will get in, that will let you incorporate the tower too.
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Old 05-29-2009, 04:47 AM   #3
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So maybe thats a problem with Tower 18...It is a double right angle intersection. And there are six curved intersections....(6/8 of a grand union) (In other words a train can go any of eight curved directions except two, plus the four straights)

I didn't mention I'm on a train going through the junction. And the sun is only available a few hours from the southwest, like in the photo. Buildings obstruct at other times.

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Bad cropping appears to be simply that you are cutting off the one visible car, in the versions where that is stated, so it is an easy fix and you have done it already. High sun, well, it is pretty high, judging by the shadows on the tower. And the light is harsh. Can you try this again in October?

Nikos may not care for the composition but the screeners didn't say anything about it. But my guess is that you get there and you get what you get. Perhaps you can keep going back until luck turns your way, that is the way it is with some locations. I happen to like tracks "going every which way" and that is a strength of the scene, so it may not need a stellar placement of a train.
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Thanks for the support on "Tracks that go every which way." This shot has to be made from an operator's cab at the rear of an Orange line train. It takes 12 minutes to go around the Loop, but add in a change to the Pink line to go around the corner at Tower 12, then maybe you're on the third Orange line train. No bets what will be going on the other tracks at Tower 18. Then start the whole process over. Three shots in an hour I would estimate. And you don't want an inbound Brown line train 'cause it would be back-lit and an outbound Green line might block the view of the tower. October, you say??? May have to give this one up.

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Thanks for the support on "Tracks that go every which way." This shot has to be made from an operator's cab at the rear of an Orange line train. It takes 12 minutes to go around the Loop, but add in a change to the Pink line to go around the corner at Tower 12, then maybe you're on the third Orange line train. No bets what will be going on the other tracks at Tower 18. Then start the whole process over. Three shots in an hour I would estimate. And you don't want an inbound Brown line train 'cause it would be back-lit and an outbound Green line might block the view of the tower. October, you say??? May have to give this one up.

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I too like the complicated track work David, and I certainly like subways. But, your shot keeps making me want to pan to the right. Is there any way to get the shot so you have more of the track to the right, balancing the stub of track we see to the left? At least not cutting off the edge of the subway car would make it breathe better.
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Remember, I am on a moving train that is going to the right, while the Brown line train in the picture was moving to the left. The cut off end and the front of the next car has a lot of black beneath the body...ie: high sun. That's why I cut it off to get away from that rejection. Plus the trucks only show a sun lit half since they're turned under the body as the Brown line train is on one of the tightest curves. The first shot is all I've got on the right side. The next shot in the camera picks up a whole car on the curve, with underbody lit pretty good, but half the tower is gone. But I won't give up. This spot gets sun only three times a day due to the tall buildings all around and minutes where the sun is off the 90 degree tangent to light up the side of the car are brief. Maybe I wish this interlocking was in the middle of Iowa corn fields, LOL. Keeping my humor, but thanks to you guys I've reached the three ohh! mark.

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First off Dave, you've been doing an excellent job showing a not-frequently area of Chicago.. You've got an excellent structure there, but as stated before, I think you just need a different train.
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Old 05-30-2009, 01:37 AM   #10
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Isn't this like one of those Rocky movies. Down for a count again.

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I've tweaked and shaved and raised and lowered. I though this one had the tower at a third and the cars at the opposite third...but still NO GO.

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Which track was the train you were on going? Was this shot through the front or rear window? I almost think the composition would be better with just the track, and not the train, mabye some distant headlights would work.
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This is probably going to be a very tough if not impossible shot to get. I hope you are able to pull it off because I like the idea, and I like that crazy intersection.

I don't know if you can get more on the right because of the angle you're shooting out the window and the cab may get in the way. Maybe shoot earlier, because it still feels like I want to see an equal amount of stub track to the right as I see on the left. Good luck, and keep trying!
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Nikos might have the right idea. Get the best light you can on the tower, get a nice composition and bam! What direction is the tower facing? Can you get real early or real late light and a train far down on the track in front of you?
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Nikos, the train I am riding is moving on the curved track from left to right and mirrors the train in the photo which is moving from right to left. I am shooting through an open operator's cab window at the rear of my train. The chances of a shot without a train is 50-50. The tower likes to let pairs of non conflicting moves go through the interlocking at the same time.

Well I got a new image out of the camera and submitted it without any cropping whatsoever. This worked for another shot and that surprised me. Let 'em breathe, right!!

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NYSubway, I am shooting out an open end cab side window. I'm a retired motorman. The tower, like our Chicago streets is on the north-south grid that is pretty much on line with geographical north. Whereas your streets in NYC are not exactly true north-south, but tilted to line up with Manhattan Island. That tower gets sun only three times a day.

Anyways, an uncropped original is now in the queue.

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Well the uncropped shot didn't make it either.

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You said you are at the back of the train going away, so I' d say wait until you are a little further away if possible.
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Hope I'm not confusing you..my train is turning and going in the direction the train in the photo is coming from. All right hand running. When we finish the turn I would be leaving the tower's back lit side.

In the words of the song...another one bites the dust...

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Can you post a google or msn satellite image of the intersection? May help understand exactly what you are dealing with.
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There's one right here....North is to the top, Lake ST is east and west, east is to the right.

The pair of curved tracks in the right top corner is the one going to and from the north. The Brown line train in the photo is on the outside curved track.

My train is on the outside curved track in the right bottom quarter. I'm on the outside track. My train was NB and now is EB.

There is another pair of curved tracks on the left bottom. Six curved tracks make this a 6/8 grand union. A grand union is a streetcar intersection where you can go any direction from any direction.

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Can you post a google or msn satellite image of the intersection? May help understand exactly what you are dealing with.
This should help also, his train is coming up from the bottom on the right side track.
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Six rejections,,,summed up here.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=438771546

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=690713&key=0

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1245652273

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=690378&key=0

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=690161&key=0

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=690151&key=0

I've expanded the shot, narrowed the field, included track at the bottom, cut off the track at the bottom; now I'm at a complete loss.

And on another subject, how do you post those thumbnails instead of the URLs?

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OK, lots of satellite searches and L map searches, and it may be all for naught since I haven't a clue as to how the trains run in Chicago...but I think you're on the wrong train. From looking at maps my first instinct would say best shot is shooting out the front of a Northbound Purple train as it appears that is the only direction it goes there so you won't be able to get into a read cab of it going south. Next, how about shooting out the rear of a southbound brown train? Seems the big building at what would be the lower right of your shot blocks the view of more track to the right, and you don't have a good enough angle out the side back window any sooner. Being further over you may be able to contort enough to get a more even shot? We need those old R21 NY subway cars with a window that opened in the front!
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Nick S. got in or on that biulding he shot from. Do you know if you could get in the same building on a lower floor and closer to the Tower? It may be worth a little effort. You would be surprised what a simple question might get you. I'm thinking you may have done all you could with the shot from that location. I'm not liking the train going out of frame.
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NY Subway...please read some of my other responses, plus orientate yourself to Nick's photo. Purple line runs only on weekday rush hours. There is about 15 minutes in the am where the sunlight might be right for a rear cab shot. Sorry but I can't shoot out the front cab, except tomorrow when I'm on a charter "L".

Joe, Nick shot from a parking garage that you can get into and shoot without problems so long as you don't overstay your welcome. Yes, the lower levels are well known. But this six time shot seems so close....if only I could gleam what the screeners are looking for.

To all: the only trains that travel a straight route through the junction is the SB Brown, straight towards the camera, but backlit all the time and the Green line both directions EB and WB from left to right. All other trains turn.

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