Old 01-14-2009, 11:14 PM   #1
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A recent thread got me thinking about some shots I personally really like, but won't waste the screeners time since they'd very likely get rejected. I've got a bunch of them, as we all must. I'm not talking about shots that won't make the cut because they truely suck (blurry, blocked subject, cloudy/common), but more like one's that wouldn't meet RP's typical standards (ignoring the subjective aspect of what the screeners do). I've attached mine, so lets see what you've got... and explain why you think they'd get a thumbs down.

I'll do one for the moment. It's kinda obvious why I haven't submitted it... no nose light (it sure isn't a cloudy day). I love this spot, but given the current schedule, a train will never get sun in this valley, so I keep trying to get something good there. This is the best I have done so far. BTW, not a waste of time as the train moves very slow and it's along the route I chase it on, so I'm passing by anyways.
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Old 01-14-2009, 11:21 PM   #2
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It's true there's no nose light, but then again there aren't any distracting shadows or backlighting either. Are you sure it wouldn't have a chance with the screeners? I think the way the colors pop in the snow might give it a chance. But then I'm a relative newbie here, so I'd love to hear what more experienced posters have to say about the chances . . .

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Old 01-15-2009, 12:40 AM   #4
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I like this one...but I have a feeling the weeds might be a no-go:



I really like all the stuff in this one:



And this...I love the compostion and the train looks intimidating to me, as it would to anyone driving up this road to the crossing and seeing this coming toward you. But alas...high sun:

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Jim, I like the B&W shot. It's a crop I would probably do... I like the way rails curve away from (or towards) the main subject.

Here is another example of a location that won't get good light with current operations, so I keep trying to get a good one with what light there is. This would be my best effort at this location... largely due to the heaping of snow on the tracks. S&H tool also really helps bring out the details, and I tried not to over do it to the point of looking fake. Somewhat of a grab as there was a fella shooting a video at this location and already set up with a pretty prefessional looking camera... love to see that video.
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Jim, I like the B&W shot. It's a crop I would probably do... I like the way rails curve away from (or towards) the main subject.

Here is another example of a location that won't get good light with current operations, so I keep trying to get a good one with what light there is. This would be my best effort at this location... largely due to the heaping of snow on the tracks. S&H tool also really helps bring out the details, and I tried not to over do it to the point of looking fake. Somewhat of a grab as there was a fella shooting a video at this location and already set up with a pretty prefessional looking camera... love to see that video.
Jesus Christ, Mike you really started to tempt me about going over and shooting the KLR instead of the OSR in Guelph.
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Jesus Christ, Mike you really started to tempt me about going over and shooting the KLR instead of the OSR in Guelph.
Oh I wouldn't bother if I were you, MDC. Slow train, boring non-MLW power, way too many trees

If you do on a weekend, lemme know... I'll meet you somewhere up there. Bring snow tires, BTW.
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It's true there's no nose light, but then again there aren't any distracting shadows or backlighting either. Are you sure it wouldn't have a chance with the screeners? I think the way the colors pop in the snow might give it a chance. But then I'm a relative newbie here, so I'd love to hear what more experienced posters have to say about the chances . . .

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I would but (as most know) RP looks for shots that meet certain criteria in terms of lighting, cropping, clutter, distracting shadows, etc. To me the shots I've posted in this thread don't meet RP's standards, and I try only to submit shots that are more than likely to be shoe-ins... why waste theirs or my time?

Not that I think these shots are bad, I just don't think they're what RP is looking for. Personally, these are amongst my favorite recent shots.
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Jim, I like the B&W shot. It's a crop I would probably do... I like the way rails curve away from (or towards) the main subject.
Thanks. I may try it...who knows.

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Here is another example of a location that won't get good light with current operations, so I keep trying to get a good one with what light there is. This would be my best effort at this location... largely due to the heaping of snow on the tracks. S&H tool also really helps bring out the details, and I tried not to over do it to the point of looking fake. Somewhat of a grab as there was a fella shooting a video at this location and already set up with a pretty prefessional looking camera... love to see that video.
Nice location. Any chance you can shoot a train plowing through the snow on a cloudy day? I like the placement of the train as well...very effective with the snow-covered rails coming into the foreground.
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Nice location. Any chance you can shoot a train plowing through the snow on a cloudy day? I like the placement of the train as well...very effective with the snow-covered rails coming into the foreground.
I've got quite a few shots there, but this one is the only one pushing snow. It's a really poor shot on a cloudy day, at least I've never been pleased with the finished product.

FWIW, this is the view of the train going the other way. If I get the train running eastbound early enough, it'll try to duplicate this, but with snow (and hopefully with a leader other than 3111).

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Old 01-16-2009, 06:21 PM   #11
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I know this isn't the greatest photo, but I like it. I know it would get rejected, but it is my fault for having the 18-55mm lens on instead of the 55-250mm lens. I could have gotten a better glint shot had I had the longer lens on.
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Old 01-16-2009, 06:25 PM   #12
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And alas, a couple more. I thought these were nice, but I know they aren't of the RP criteria. In fact, I probably didn't do the best of jobs on the "zoom" photo, but it was my first try at that method, and I thought it was neat. I wouldn't submit it to RP though.
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I already tried this one and it got rejected for poor composition. *unfortunately I don't know how to hyperlink a thumb nail so here is the link to the picture.*

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Well I was pretty sure this would get rejected for cloudy, I was curious but; after a few bad color rejects it sure enough did. I really liked the look of it and the fog coming out of the mountains in the background. But it was cloudy after all.

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Jim, I like the B&W shot. It's a crop I would probably do... I like the way rails curve away from (or towards) the main subject.

Here is another example of a location that won't get good light with current operations, so I keep trying to get a good one with what light there is. This would be my best effort at this location... largely due to the heaping of snow on the tracks. S&H tool also really helps bring out the details, and I tried not to over do it to the point of looking fake. Somewhat of a grab as there was a fella shooting a video at this location and already set up with a pretty prefessional looking camera... love to see that video.
It's really noisy?

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Old 01-19-2009, 07:18 AM   #16
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Ive tried a few times with this one, different toning, or even a color version. Never accepted, thats fine.




I tried one time, seems like it got the bad lighting rejection, no big deal. It is also a tad soft as well. I have a 10x15 inch print of it that looks incredible though.



This one never got in, seems like it got the PEQ rejection. Though there are many ways that I would love to reshoot this image, I will never have that chance for the rest of my life.
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I think the one of the engineer in the rusty bucket is a real winner. It does need something in image quality fixing to get in. "Levels" or "Curves" maybe?

You guys who know PS suggestions?
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Thanks Dennis,

If this helps you, here are the other two version.







I think that the B&W version directly above is a little dark, it was also from an older edit. I edited these two back in March or April, when ever I took the original photo using 3 different exposures from the same RAW file. The file I posted in my earlier post was from a different edit in October or November of this year, I think that the toning needs to be cut back a little bit, other than that I do not know or really care to change much of anything else. I tried submitting it two different times, both times it got the PEQ rejection and I assume that since it is not of a female a real portrait will not get into RP.net
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I like the portrait, Joey. I choose the B/W version and agree that it needs something, but can't nail it. Definately a keeper for the PC Top 10 regardless.

EDIT: Here's my contribution to the thread:
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Not really following suit since they all DID get rejected (PEQ).
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Had a go at it, went with extreme channel mixing off the color version, red +186, green + 84, blue -176, constant -12 (this in PSE with a channel mixer plug in). The crewman pops a lot more. Didn't spend too much time on it, just enough to convince myself that a different take was possible.
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My quick take. One The problem I see is making him blend in. He looks like he was photoshopped in since he is so well lit and the cab is so shadowed.

Edit: I see my uploaded version doesn't match my PS version like usual.
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Edit: I see my uploaded version doesn't match my PS version like usual.
Isn't that the issue of color space, i.e. sRGB vs ADOBE RGB?

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Isn't that the issue of color space, i.e. sRGB vs ADOBE RGB?

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Everything I do is in sRGB from camera to processed photo. I think it is a windows issue?
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It's really noisy?
Yeah, the horn was blowing. Seriously, I don't see any noise, could you be more specific? You seeing it in the clusters of bare branches?
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Yeah, the horn was blowing. Seriously, I don't see any noise, could you be more specific? You seeing it in the clusters of bare branches?
I was just imagining being the screener who screens your photos.

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