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asis80 05-08-2010 05:56 PM

Woe is freaking me.
 
Down to one upload again. 13 rejections in the rejection list. Some were fixed and got in. So now I'm down to 1 upload. The recent spat, you could say, was a shot that was in full sun, but as the train came, cloud covered the sun. Hit for cloudy. So I tried to bring out the blue in the sky more and used some shadow highlight, and they say uncorrected upload? So I convert to black and white, hoping it will *help* some, it didn't. I went from a full color shot to a black and white and was hit for uncorrected photo. Question is, how long does it take for me to get my uploads back? A year? That sucks, I have to go that long to get my uploads back? And I know the dumbass remarks like "take better photos" are coming, so go ahead with them anyways, haha. Didn't really mean to piss them off, or is it the 13 rejections? Oh well.....here's the recent spat.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=811285&key=0
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=811348&key=0
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=149122576

Ben

coborn35 05-08-2010 06:14 PM

You wont get them back. They also never return emails, so no hope there.

asis80 05-08-2010 06:18 PM

I'm sure I'll get them back, and they do return emails. Just a matter of when, I still have shit loads of Harrisburg trip shots to go through and some from Cumberland and Harpers Ferry......

Ben

travsirocz 05-08-2010 06:19 PM

Your three rejection are really bad. Shadow/highlight over used.

coborn35 05-08-2010 06:41 PM

Well you must be privileged then.

JRMDC 05-08-2010 07:10 PM

a) did you explain in detail in remarks to screener what you changed? I try to always do that.

b) one of the great RP mysteries is the process/formula/timing by which upload rights are restored.

troy12n 05-08-2010 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRMDC (Post 114206)
b) one of the great RP mysteries is the process/formula/timing by which upload rights are restored.

Or if it ever happens. (even once)

At any rate, welcome to the 1 upload club, you are in very exclusive company (including myself)

edit: I just looked at your photos, I am surprised they did that to you, you have something like 300 pics in the DB

Also pretty silly you got the uncorrected reject, anyone who actually looked at the pictures can see they were edited, especially the one you did the B&W conversion on.

nikos1 05-08-2010 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coborn35 (Post 114205)
Well you must be privileged then.

Indeed, I've been on 2 slots for a year +, no sort of response to my emails whatsoever.

As for the shot, I dont think its too bad, but you got cloudf***ed, at that point all you can do is run around screaming at the clouds or snap and know you will get something substandard that will most likely be a personal collection or RRPA shot.
Second one is the best, B&W is pretty bad imo. Dont worry, on my first chance to catch a Belle (consist just like this actually) we waited for hours only to get blocked out by another train, even worse.
I wouldnt push the issue right now, move on and save it for another day, its worked on a good many occasions for me.

Chase55671 05-08-2010 08:13 PM

Perhaps you should be more selective and only submit your "best" work. Someone recently told me that and he was correct. It gives you a better portfolio if you only submot your best photos.

Chase

Paolo Roffo 05-08-2010 08:22 PM

Has there ever been a case of someone getting their upload limit raised? I guess I should consider myself lucky they only cut me back to three, back when I still shot film.

I have long since decided I'm not going back to 10 uploads, although in fairness, I rarely upload more than one a day anyway.

Ween 05-08-2010 11:12 PM

As a POTW and (at least) 5x PCA winner, you should know better by now!

nikos1 05-09-2010 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chase55671 (Post 114209)
Perhaps you should be more selective and only submit your "best" work. Someone recently told me that and he was correct. It gives you a better portfolio if you only submot your best photos.

Chase

Are you referring to me?
What do you think I do, got no option other than that, may as well get my 2 slots accepted. If I tried repeatedly sending in cloudy shots ill probably get banned.
Every shot of mine recently has either been an interesting angle/scenery or good power, havnt sent in a GEVO wedge in quite a bit. I have so much unsubmitted stuff due to the limit that I could upload 10 a day for a few weeks and keep the same standard.
Doesnt matter what I send, I have 315 shots that clearly prove I can take a picture but yet I still only have two slots and inclined to believe it will stay that way.

milwman 05-09-2010 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikos1 (Post 114215)
Are you referring to me?
What do you think I do, got no option other than that, may as well get my 2 slots accepted. If I tried repeatedly sending in cloudy shots ill probably get banned.
Every shot of mine recently has either been an interesting angle/scenery or good power, havnt sent in a GEVO wedge in quite a bit. I have so much unsubmitted stuff due to the limit that I could upload 10 a day for a few weeks and keep the same standard.
Doesnt matter what I send, I have 315 shots that clearly prove I can take a picture but yet I still only have two slots and inclined to believe it will stay that way.

He was talking to Ben and to all at the same time. Ben did what we all want to do get mad and push it.

Joe the Photog 05-09-2010 12:52 AM

After my last CSX shot that I really wanted to get in, I consider myself lucky to have my upload limit unchanged. I've been fortunate to know when to push the envelope and when not to. I'm very surprised they took away Ben's limit because he gets a crap load of Top of 24s. I know we're hearing one side of the story, but average hits per photo should, at least in my opinion, mean something.

mark woody 05-09-2010 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe the Photog (Post 114217)
After my last CSX shot that I really wanted to get in, I consider myself lucky to have my upload limit unchanged. I've been fortunate to know when to push the envelope and when not to. I'm very surprised they took away Ben's limit because he gets a crap load of Top of 24s. I know we're hearing one side of the story, but average hits per photo should, at least in my opinion, mean something.

Agreed.While Ben is an accomplished and talented photog with a lot of great shots and views the shot in question indeed hasn't changed,the original rejection was cloudy,common and i don't see any change in that even with b/w,hence uncorrected reject.Just my .02c.Mark.

travsirocz 05-09-2010 02:21 AM

What in the scene makes it good enough to overcome the cloudy lighting? The cut off trucks? There is foreign power all over the US so that doesn't matter. Catch good light there another day.
I have no idea what an upload limit is? :)

milwman 05-09-2010 02:25 AM

Not talking behind his back but it wasn't all that long ago he was banned and think it's a warning not to annoy. I had a shot that was killed for cloudy and it wasn't cloudy at all, The sun had set and had to pan to stop it. I liked it they didn't so after fixing color and getting shot down I gave up, Think its best just to walk away from a shot for 2 weeks and see if you still like it then rework and try it. I have a lot of shots in twilight that didn't get in, To light for a night shot and too dark for a sunny day shot.

asis80 05-09-2010 02:26 AM

I'm sure my 13 rejections has something to do with it. I don't know, I'm pretty sure I explained in my B&W shot I made note of it although you can tell I took away, oh lets see, all the color? I pushed the envelope 3 times with that cloudy rejection, don't think that's hardly a reason to knock me down to 1 upload a day. I'm not bragging or swelling my chest, but like Joe above mentioned, I've been pretty selective of what I publish and it's pretty plain to see how I've grown. Yea, I still take the standard wedgies that aren't "wow" factor shots, but I take some real nice shots too. Again, not trying to swell my chest or brag, just stating facts. I don't think an email to either Chris's will help, I don't want to seem like a pansy. I'm going to have to deal with it for a long while, so it seems with what everyone who is down to 1 or 2 a day is telling me. I'm not the greatest here but I'm striving to be pretty good. This only hampers it, I guess. I'm not knocking the system, but if you have one great shot, and a screener is feeling picky that day and see's something I don't and rejects it, how is that supposed to help? This is a great site, and I've been down this road once a couple years back because I was mouthy (learned the lesson!!!), but damn. This just blows!

Ben

GIZMO 05-09-2010 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asis80 (Post 114200)
Down to one upload again. 13 rejections in the rejection list. Some were fixed and got in. So now I'm down to 1 upload. The recent spat, you could say, was a shot that was in full sun, but as the train came, cloud covered the sun. Hit for cloudy. So I tried to bring out the blue in the sky more and used some shadow highlight, and they say uncorrected upload? So I convert to black and white, hoping it will *help* some, it didn't. I went from a full color shot to a black and white and was hit for uncorrected photo. Question is, how long does it take for me to get my uploads back? A year? That sucks, I have to go that long to get my uploads back? And I know the dumbass remarks like "take better photos" are coming, so go ahead with them anyways, haha. Didn't really mean to piss them off, or is it the 13 rejections? Oh well.....here's the recent spat.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=811285&key=0
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=811348&key=0
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=149122576

Ben

C

Clear sky is a detriment here and hard to deal with as always.


The bridge is sort of nice, like the old Romans invented so maybe if you had let the train get a lot further out on the bridge and then if you had been up higher on the bank perhaps the bridges and hills in the background would have helped eliminate the need for sky, Sometimes it looks nice if the hills and valley are cradling a train.

Chase55671 05-09-2010 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asis80 (Post 114226)
I'm sure my 13 rejections has something to do with it. I don't know, I'm pretty sure I explained in my B&W shot I made note of it although you can tell I took away, oh lets see, all the color? I pushed the envelope 3 times with that cloudy rejection, don't think that's hardly a reason to knock me down to 1 upload a day. I'm not bragging or swelling my chest, but like Joe above mentioned, I've been pretty selective of what I publish and it's pretty plain to see how I've grown. Yea, I still take the standard wedgies that aren't "wow" factor shots, but I take some real nice shots too. Again, not trying to swell my chest or brag, just stating facts. I don't think an email to either Chris's will help, I don't want to seem like a pansy. I'm going to have to deal with it for a long while, so it seems with what everyone who is down to 1 or 2 a day is telling me. I'm not the greatest here but I'm striving to be pretty good. This only hampers it, I guess. I'm not knocking the system, but if you have one great shot, and a screener is feeling picky that day and see's something I don't and rejects it, how is that supposed to help? This is a great site, and I've been down this road once a couple years back because I was mouthy (learned the lesson!!!), but damn. This just blows!

Ben

The reason I think you were kicked down to 1 upload is the fact you continued submitting the same overprocessed shot. The first rejection was for "oveprocessed" and rather than trying to edit it over again and give it a more realistic appearance, you instead changed it to B&W. You received the "uncorrected reupload" twice, for the fact you didn't fix the overprocessed flaw of the image, but instead tried changing other elements of the photo.

They seem to take that "uncorrected reupload" rejection quite serious and I suppose that is why your upload limit was reduced.

Chase

John Ryan 05-09-2010 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asis80 (Post 114200)
Down to one upload again. 13 rejections in the rejection list. Some were fixed and got in. So now I'm down to 1 upload. The recent spat, you could say, was a shot that was in full sun, but as the train came, cloud covered the sun. Hit for cloudy.

This type of lighting condition is almost impossible to deal with. Bright blue skies with a flat and lifeless subject make for terrible photos. Sometimes a cloud comes along and ruins a photo. It's happened to me many times. Win some, lose some, but recognize that you aren't going to make any points trying to upload inferior photos. Just because you saw a train doesn't make it important.

Quote:

Originally Posted by asis80 (Post 114200)
So I tried to bring out the blue in the sky more and used some shadow highlight, and they say uncorrected upload? So I convert to black and white, hoping it will *help* some, it didn't. I went from a full color shot to a black and white and was hit for uncorrected photo.

It doesn't matter how much you fiddle with it in Photoshop, you can't make the sun come back out. If the photo is rejected for "cloudy," that's not something you can change.

Quote:

Originally Posted by asis80 (Post 114200)
Question is, how long does it take for me to get my uploads back? A year? That sucks, I have to go that long to get my uploads back? And I know the dumbass remarks like "take better photos" are coming, so go ahead with them anyways, haha. Didn't really mean to piss them off, or is it the 13 rejections?

I can't tell you when you'll get your upload slots back, but look at what you did to lose them. You demonstrated that you lost your focus, and that it was more important for you to get a flat and dull cloudy photo in the database when you should have moved on to something better. You know you have better shots, the screeners know it, and the viewers here know it too. It's not a question of "taking better photos," it's a question of correctly picking what you should upload.

How many photos do you really need to upload? Is it a coincidence that several of the people with the largest number of photos on the site also have the most boring, plain collections of wedge photos? I think I could get by just fine with one or two slots a week, as that's all I upload anyways.

mark woody 05-09-2010 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travsirocz (Post 114224)
What in the scene makes it good enough to overcome the cloudy lighting? The cut off trucks? There is foreign power all over the US so that doesn't matter. Catch good light there another day.
I have no idea what an upload limit is? :)

The day before. [photoid=323713]

coborn35 05-10-2010 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chase55671 (Post 114209)
Perhaps you should be more selective and only submit your "best" work. Someone recently told me that and he was correct. It gives you a better portfolio if you only submot your best photos.

Chase

Well you don't follow your own advice.
One cannot have 494 "best" photos. Tenish maybe, but not 494 photos that are your best.

asis80 05-10-2010 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coborn35 (Post 114270)
Well you don't follow your own advice.
One cannot have 494 "best" photos. Tenish maybe, but not 494 photos that are your best.

Glad someone said it......

Ben

Joe the Photog 05-10-2010 01:45 AM

Should we all just wip them out and have a pissing contest? Just so we all know, what is the milit on how many "best" photographs someone can have?

nikos1 05-10-2010 01:55 AM

If someone thinks that every photo they have sent to RP is their best, they really need an ego check.
Ben has some shots that arn't his best, this one included, and as does Chase,some on RP, some not. No need to play Dan Valentine so im not going to try to point them out.
I think the screeners overreacted a good bit with this, maybe if Ben used all 10 slots uploading the same picture maybe but at the end of the day what can you do about it. I have 315 shots in the database but doesnt make me any more likely to get my slots back then when I had 100 shots.

asis80 05-10-2010 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe the Photog (Post 114272)
Should we all just wip them out and have a pissing contest? Just so we all know, what is the milit on how many "best" photographs someone can have?

Actually, at this point that sounds like a great idea, haha.

Ben

John Ryan 05-10-2010 01:59 AM

I tried for a long time to cap my RP "portfolio" at 200 photos, but that became a losing battle. Still, I don't have 200 or 500 "best" photos. Putting a quantity on that is entirely subjective. Still, it's easy enough to tell quality from average or below-average. That's the issue here.

Flowing 05-10-2010 02:07 AM

I might appeal if I feel the rejection reason is wrong, otherwise I upload once and if it gets rejected, it goes on RRPA. Things are a lot less stressful since I began to follow this policy.

cblaz 05-10-2010 03:00 AM

Honestly, what would happen if all RP submitters had only 2 uploads a day? Would the site really change that much? Are their really more than a handful of photographers that you would like to see more than 2 photos a day from?

- Chris

bigbassloyd 05-10-2010 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cblaz (Post 114282)
Are their really more than a handful of photographers that you would like to see more than 2 photos a day from?

- Chris

Unless their photo stream is very diverse, two a day from most photographers is plenty.

Loyd L.

mark woody 05-10-2010 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cblaz (Post 114282)
Honestly, what would happen if all RP submitters had only 2 uploads a day? Would the site really change that much? Are their really more than a handful of photographers that you would like to see more than 2 photos a day from?

- Chris

Ageed.Mark.

John Ryan 05-10-2010 03:27 AM

CB1 hit the nail on the head. Anyone that wants to have a photo blowout upload party should look into RRPA.

JRMDC 05-10-2010 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Ryan (Post 114285)
Anyone that wants to have a photo blowout upload party should look into RRPA.

Anyone that wants to have a photo blowout upload party should look into getting their quality up to RP snuff and then have at it, have a wonderful time, enjoy themselves, and ignore the naysayers. I find the complaining about high frequency uploaders more objectionable than the complaining about lowered daily upload limits.

There are lots of ways to enjoy this hobby. People are different. While image quality/interest/artistry standards have a significant degree of objectivity to them despite the inherent subjectivity, as far as I can see there are few for the act of photography itself, beyond common decency, politeness in the photo lone, and avoidance of trespassing. If someone wants to upload a wedgie collection, I am highly likely to choose not to click on their shots, but I am not going to look down my nose at them. Their decision on quality vs. quantity affects only my viewing decision, not my judgment of their approach to this hobby.

nikos1 05-10-2010 04:17 AM

2 is fine on most day, granted that both get accepted, not always the case, very annoying to get 0 of 2 for nitpicky reasons that have to be fixed and then uploaded the next day.
However there are days where you really want to upload more. Case point; I still have alot of shots of the last run of the Great Walton Covington Branch that I dont know if ill bother uploading to RP since they have lost alot of their news value since its been more than half a year since, wouldve been nice to upload a photo series to RP of the run but had to save that for RRPA.

milwman 05-10-2010 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cblaz (Post 114282)
Honestly, what would happen if all RP submitters had only 2 uploads a day?

- Chris

Or start them out at 3 or 4 and work up from there, Having a standard time frame that auto bumps them up to 10 unless held back. 1 is just punishment as most new guys wont get by in 1 upload or 2 but will stop photo dumping.

milwman 05-10-2010 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chase55671 (Post 114209)
Perhaps you should be more selective and only submit your "best" work. Someone recently told me that and he was correct. It gives you a better portfolio if you only submot your best photos.

Chase

Best work is what someone likes best and their view point of what's good and yours and mine are not the same, Can't be. We know what works on RP but thats not an end all in great photo's by my eye but works over a great number of photographers. As you get older your taste will chang some as will your ability to shoot. And as shots you wish you did back in the old days of ES 44 DC's in new paint?;)

troy12n 05-10-2010 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cblaz (Post 114282)
Honestly, what would happen if all RP submitters had only 2 uploads a day? Would the site really change that much?

Actually it would, we would have a lot more shots of St. Albans each day per average

bigbassloyd 05-10-2010 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 114300)
Actually it would, we would have a lot more shots of St. Albans each day per average

So I need to throw on more of my St. Albans collection?

Grade crossing wedgies until your heart's content... :D

Loyd L.

KevinM 05-10-2010 02:26 PM

A few random thoughts on the subject of "upload jail", volume uploads and quality:
  • It seems that we see threads like this popping up about every two weeks. Rather than see yet another one next week, I'm in agreement with JRMDC. It would really help the photographer community if the site were to define the criteria for the imposition and/or removal of upload limits. It would help the more conscientious among us to either stay out of trouble or carefully work their way back into good graces. There's probably not much hope for the non-conscientious.
  • I'm not a fan of volume uploads. Not being a natural at this, I often spend a couple of evenings messing with a single shot until I get something I'm satisfied with. The only time I really care about my upload limit is after a charter, when everyone is racing to post all of the best angles. In that situation, a few days delay can mean the difference between an SCA and an STP. Otherwise, I average less than one per day.
  • I get a chuckle when I see posts about only uploading "your best". Anyone want to qualify that? Best 10 of the past year? Best 10 from yesterday? Best 1000 from a lifetime? Top 10%? To me, the goal is interesting, high-quality pictures. So when selecting a shot to submit to RP, the questions I prefer to ask are: "Is this shot interesting enough that folks will want to click on it?" and: "Does the shot meet the RP quality standards?"....in that order.
  • Ben's situation is probably the biggest concern that any of us has with the site. Being in "upload jail" isn't as much of a practical problem as it is a blow to one's pride. His list of accomplishments here, in light of his current situation, is evidence that any of us...even the long-timers....could go from the lead to the back of the pack if we're not careful. Obviously, I don't know what's gone on between Ben and the RP folks. The only gentle advice I would offer is not to let the rejections pile up. If you have five showing on the page within the last week, that's probably time to either take an RP vacation, or go back to basics. Five rejections in the bin, or three strikes on any shot and it's probably time to back off before you tee someone off.
:)


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