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jaanfo 11-09-2006 09:10 PM

Requesting an opinion
Hey folks, I had this shot rejected yesterday for bad cropping, obviously a little needs to be lopped off the bottom, but I'm considering trying to get back to the location in order to catch a train's headlights instead of the markers (it's an hour's drive, half of that is through a construction zone).

Should I go ahead and recrop and reupload this shot, then upload a second shot of another train at the same location, only coming towards me, or should I go with only one or the other? Which would you guys think would be better?


IC 6071 11-09-2006 09:33 PM

Very nice shot! I really liked the fact that you included the crossing signal. To me, that adds alot to the photo. I would chop some off of the bottom. Good luck!

Bill 11-09-2006 09:38 PM

I'd crop further.
Personally I don't think anything to the right of the train adds to the image...it's a bit cluttered on that side. I'd crop from the bottm & the right.

Good luck.

Christopher Muller 11-09-2006 09:39 PM

To me, the shot looks fine as is. I also like the fact that the signals were left in it.

Andrew Blaszczyk (2) 11-09-2006 09:42 PM

Perfect as is, an appeal would do just fine.

jaanfo 11-09-2006 09:45 PM

I need to cut off he bottom (already appealed ;)) but what I'm asking is whether I can have two shots at the same space of a train going each direction, or if I should limit the angle to one because I'd personally prefer having the headlights on, and am considering another trip to get a train coming towards me rather then going away.

Bill 11-09-2006 09:50 PM

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Here's roughly the crop I was suggesting....

JRMDC 11-09-2006 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by jaanfo
Should I go ahead and recrop and reupload this shot, then upload a second shot of another train at the same location, only coming towards me, or should I go with only one or the other? Which would you guys think would be better?

I see no problem with posting a shot and then, down the road, posting another shot that is similar. There are lots of locations for which there are multiple shots posted at RP. Everyone gets to enjoy your first shot during the period before you get around to doing the second.

As for the crop, tough call. I personally think Bill's suggestion is a little tight on the right - the crossing lights upper right look like the are hovering in mid air. But it's a tough one.

My personal tastes are to have it uncropped, but if that is rejected, what can you do.

jaanfo 11-09-2006 10:12 PM

I have it recropped with more sky and less road, just gauging whether to try try again or start fresh. Now that I know of the location I can set up a better camera angle too. This almost an accident, train just came through before I'd gotten to where I was planning to go so I grabbed that instead, I like it though.

Andrew Blaszczyk (2) 11-09-2006 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by Bill
Here's roughly the crop I was suggesting....

WHY?! I don't get the point of taking out the signal...then its just the train. ::yawn::

Andrew Blaszczyk (2) 11-09-2006 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by jaanfo
I have it recropped with more sky and less road

I disagree with you here. The plain blue sky os boring. I would rather see the way the tracks cross the road. Like in this shot:[photoid=145786]
There's is nothing wrong with the shot you submitted the first time. Was the appeal rejected or hasn't been screened yet?

There is nothing wrong with shooting from the same location, especially if you are trying a different angle. It could be a similar angle just done better. I like this shot and I have a feeling if it gets on with the signal you'd get at least one comment. I think we know who from ;-). LOL

bnsf sammy 11-09-2006 10:58 PM

Great shot! Personally, I think the crop is just fine the way it is, if anything maybe a bit too much road on the bottom. I would definately keep the station in the photo.

jaanfo 11-09-2006 11:16 PM

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It was appealed yesterday and rejected


Your appeal for photo id 305733 has been processed and has been rejected.
Admin Comments >> I would suggest tightening the crop just a bit on the bottom of the frame. Other than that, it looks good.
Here is the recrop I did (I think I need to rotate it a little more... hmm)

Warren 11-09-2006 11:16 PM

Great shot! I too like it "as is", you feel the train comming thru town. Have you tried to appeal it?

Mgoldman 11-09-2006 11:16 PM

I like the shot as was also.
Regarding RP - I guess there is too much road in the
foreground. It's an excellent shot, you could recrop
it but not as earlier recommended - crop out the
left, not the right which has much more details and
interest and should remain.


Joe the Photog 11-09-2006 11:36 PM

This might be one of those times you want to say to yourself, "Screw it." The shot is fine as it is and leave it there. I think the shot is very good. Certainly do not take any off the right. To me, the left is fine, esp. since it looks like it you crop the left out, then you crop that signal out. I like the amount of road in the bottom shot as well as the sky. It's a great shot and "working" on it to get it onto RP might actually lessen the value of it.


Remember. I'm just some guy at a computer. And the one I'm at now isn't even mine!

Dave Brook 11-10-2006 12:17 AM

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I might go with the screeners idea and get rid of some of the road..like this maybe;

Dave Brook 11-10-2006 12:17 AM

Yes, it is my first try at an attachment uplaod...rookie mistake

Bill 11-10-2006 12:19 AM

Regardless of what you decide with the shot, good luck with it, it's a nice train image.

a231pacific 11-10-2006 01:38 AM

Your original and your first slight recrop are both fine photos. The other recrops are too tight and cramp the signals. The whole point is to have both sets of signals in the photo. The engine location meets the rule of thirds, and by checking on the handrails in the center of the shot, it's level. If you crop to a 3 X 2 aspect ratio, you can get rid of some of the street. Thats 1024 X 683, which is now the prefered RP crop. Give it a try and see if it flies. It's a good shot anyway you cut it, except by cutting it down too much!

Michael Allen

jaanfo 11-10-2006 09:15 PM

I'll give the 3:2 a try, thanks!

I headed out to the spot today but was unimpressed with my results, so I'll upload the first one again (recropped) later tonight


jaanfo 11-16-2006 09:06 AM

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well, I got that shot in! Here's my next one:


"635 emerges from the fog as it crosses the Los Penasquitos Marsh"

Is the tree a killer? This one shouldn't be a hard shot to replicate since it's been foggy every morning, but I like the tree framing it... just thinking it won't fly with the screeners.

Andrew Blaszczyk (2) 11-16-2006 06:14 PM

Great idea! I have tried a shot similar to this a number of times and have only gotten results I like once. The first thing I notice in your photo is that the tree is in focus while the train is not and is also not in "good quality". I would manualy focus it so the train is sharp and the branches are fuzzy or out of focus. To get the effect desired you do not need as many leaves and branches as you have included, try a tighter crop. I would also look into going vertical. I'm really loving the idea and I'm sure you'll get it perfect soon! Hope my advice helped a bit.

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