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nikos1 01-21-2010 04:23 AM

How do I level this
 
Im out of ideas, 4 times is too much. There are no true verticals in the whole picture to accurately level by. Ive tried leveling by the end of the unit but that still doesnt help, would it help to point out in the comments to screeners that the stop sign is in no way level.
Ignore the typo lol
First try
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=642214445
Second
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1167728856
third
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1094253573
fourth
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=890415591

Chris Z 01-21-2010 04:30 AM

With the lens distortion you will need to find a vertical in the center of your photo. Looking at the center you will need to do quite a bit of CCW rotation. The other option would be to fix the lens distortion in Photo Shop. Hope that helps.

Chris Z

Chase55671 01-21-2010 04:31 AM

Give it some CCW. You're leveling it the wrong way, as it is considerably leaning to the right.

Looks a wee bit overexposed, too.

Chase

Joe the Photog 01-21-2010 08:37 AM

The posts on the railroad track near the center of the photograph should be vertical. You need at least a degree rotation to the left. WHat does the sign on the bridge facing automobile traffic say?

I agree with Chase about the exposure. The sky looks just a tad blown out.

JimThias 01-21-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe the Photog (Post 108264)
WHat does the sign on the bridge facing automobile traffic say?

Quote:

Remarks: This bride will eat your bike!
Wow, she must be REALLY hungry! :lol:

Joe the Photog 01-21-2010 04:34 PM

Next time I'll actually read the caption.

Chase55671 01-21-2010 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JimThias (Post 108275)
Wow, she must be REALLY hungry! :lol:

:lol:

Chase

troy12n 01-22-2010 12:20 AM

Quick one for me, I think this is fairly level, what direction should I go and approx how much? I can usually line these up, but this one is kinda tough, I dont have any vertical references except the nose of the locomotive which I squared up against

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1159800483

nikos1 01-22-2010 12:27 AM

lol, yes typo's are always fun.

Tried levelling it according to the cab of the engine and the first hopper, made a note still rejected. Also fixed the overexposure. At this point ill just hold off till later i guess, no use wasting both slots and getting rejected.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=228605169

stlgevo51 01-22-2010 12:41 AM

It's a shame you can't get that on. I like it and it would make an interesting addition to the database. I think the pole to the right of the engine is making the shot look unlevel, but maybe I'm wrong.

As for Troy's shot, it needs a little CW rotation. The nose of the locomotive is definitely not level.

troy12n 01-22-2010 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by stlgevo51 (Post 108320)
As for Troy's shot, it needs a little CW rotation. The nose of the locomotive is definitely not level.

Thanks, what are you using for reference, I was using the pilot and if I do more CW rotation, its more unlevel

stlgevo51 01-22-2010 12:54 AM

I used the pilot and the nose and they are just a tad unlevel. Rotate just a small bit until the pilot and nose are vertical with the page. You might want to try the pilot on the second unit as well.

Dennis A. Livesey 01-22-2010 01:06 AM

The key to success in leveling wide angle lens shots is finding a vertical or horizontal in the middle of the image and leveling that.

Thus the call to level off the cab end or the hopper was right on. (If I may use a colloquialism from the 60's)

Wide angles distort the image at the edges and trying to level from there will cause you to chase your tail.

Chris Z 01-22-2010 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by nikos1 (Post 108317)
lol, yes typo's are always fun.

Tried levelling it according to the cab of the engine and the first hopper, made a note still rejected. Also fixed the overexposure. At this point ill just hold off till later i guess, no use wasting both slots and getting rejected.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=228605169

If you can, maybe try something like this. Put your photo on a grid and push things around till they're straight.

Even with the lens distortion, your photo looked like it needed one more degree of CCW rotation according to the grid I put it on.

Chris Z

crazytiger 01-22-2010 02:43 AM

Troy, CW is not the way to go. It needs CCW.

John Craft 01-22-2010 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nikos1 (Post 108250)
Im out of ideas, 4 times is too much. There are no true verticals in the whole picture to accurately level by. Ive tried leveling by the end of the unit but that still doesnt help, would it help to point out in the comments to screeners that the stop sign is in no way level.
Ignore the typo lol
First try
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=642214445

-20 correction to vertical perspective.

troy12n 01-22-2010 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by crazytiger (Post 108345)
Troy, CW is not the way to go. It needs CCW.


Yea, I got it in... thanks. CW seemed kinda looney.

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nikos1 01-22-2010 10:10 PM

Well the thing is im pretty sure the stopsign is not level so im not sure that would be accurate to level by that. I guess though if i have to i will....

Joe the Photog 01-23-2010 02:56 AM

Why not level by the verticals on the ground near the hopper? They're in the center of the picture and appear level ot my eye.

JRMDC 01-23-2010 04:29 AM

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My take, similar to John's approach, except I also do a rotation, -1.8 (so CCW) and 108.3% on perspective adjustment, wider at the top. In general I find that often I do a perspective adjustment and the verticals in the middle go off, so I adjust, then I have to further adjust perspective, ... Above parameters as applied in PS Elements 3; I don't recognize the parameter's in John's (PS CS?). Left uncropped for clarity as to what I did.

Dennis A. Livesey 01-23-2010 04:37 AM

Janusz's work work's for me!

crazytiger 01-23-2010 06:21 AM

I think J's is to far CW.

JRMDC 01-23-2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by crazytiger (Post 108430)
I think J's is to far CW.

It would be helpful to say why, for example, to identify lines that should be vertical that are not. And given that I made it CCW by almost 2 degrees, to do it even more because you see it as still too far CW does require some justification.

JimThias 01-23-2010 02:24 PM

Has anyone noticed that the shadows underneath the loco and cars are glowing? :twisted:

John Craft 01-23-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JRMDC (Post 108426)
I don't recognize the parameter's in John's (PS CS?).

Elements 5.


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