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nikos1 09-22-2010 05:42 PM

Cloudy but not exactly common power
 
With cloudy day shots now seemingly being accepted left and right I thought I would give this old shot another try, but still no dice. I dont think anyone will ever shoot a pair of CR B40-8's together since there are only 3 left and running long hood forward at this. I think I did a fair job of processing and my sky is not completely white like some shots I have seen recently. Thoughts? Should I give it another 5 years?
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=783218429

barnstormer 09-22-2010 05:59 PM

I'd give another five years. I think it is a better cloudy day shot than some of the ones that have gotten on lately though.

coborn35 09-22-2010 06:13 PM

I like it!

baldwin8 09-22-2010 06:46 PM

To me, it just comes off as too dark overall and detering me from wanting a closer look than just as a thumbnail.

You have a lot of great shots on rp.

JRMDC 09-22-2010 06:56 PM

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There might be enough cloud variation for BW to work - the attached isn't an exhaustive attempt but maybe it triggers some ideas for you. I don't think this is a rescue BW, I think there is some potential in the tonal variation for an interesting result.

Joe the Photog 09-22-2010 07:33 PM

I really like the color version with the exception of the haloing around the trees in the sky.

troy12n 09-22-2010 07:37 PM

Looks underexposed in addition to being dark/cloudy. And oversaturated. Conrail blue was never THAT blue.

Almost looks kind of HDR'ish

I do like the location and composition.

You can tell it's Georgia because it seems that is where CSX has relegated all those B40-8's.

Diamond D 09-22-2010 07:53 PM

the color and image quality are very bad/strange, did you use any noise reduction or other filter on it?

nikos1 09-22-2010 11:23 PM

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The image quality is probably just the result of a cloudy day and having a point n shoot that i dont really like taking above ISO 100. It was quite a dark and miserable day I remember, wasnt even planning on going railfanning, just stopped by on the way to some errands and watch this unfold infront of me. Had a hard time trying to get the photos to come out right, had to underexpose a bit to keep some detail in the sky, which probably didnt help the IQ.
@J, B&W isnt really what I want with this shot, nor do I know if I have the processing room with the quality the way it is, defeats the point of having two blues in either case.
Does this version look any better? I took the saturation down a notch, I agree it was a bit much but trying my best to salvage the shot from the conditions.

coborn35 09-23-2010 12:00 AM

I like the way it looks dark and gloomy.

crazytiger 09-23-2010 12:01 AM

I really like it, but I am not sure it'll get on RP, kinda reminds me of the shot that is Joe's Avy.

jdirelan87 09-23-2010 12:24 AM

This photo can easily make it into the database. The only thing holding it back is the horrible post processing. If you're using a P&S, I suspect that means you also have a low end editing program. Pass the original off to somebody who knows their way around Photoshop and it shouldn't take more than 5 or 10 mins.

JRMDC 09-23-2010 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jdirelan87 (Post 121720)
This photo can easily make it into the database. The only thing holding it back is the horrible post processing. If you're using a P&S, I suspect that means you also have a low end editing program. Pass the original off to somebody who knows their way around Photoshop and it shouldn't take more than 5 or 10 mins.

John, you may not be familiar with Nikos, the guy has almost 400 shots on RP, we all can use some help from time to time but he is hardly ignorant of post processing.

From the EXIF it looks like he uses PS CS 4.

travsirocz 09-23-2010 12:51 AM

Your processing made it darker then it was. Your almost got an HDR look or maybe way to much contrast? Cool shot otherwise. I think maybe you were trying to process the sky globally instead of selectively?

nikos1 09-23-2010 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdirelan87 (Post 121720)
This photo can easily make it into the database. The only thing holding it back is the horrible post processing. If you're using a P&S, I suspect that means you also have a low end editing program. Pass the original off to somebody who knows their way around Photoshop and it shouldn't take more than 5 or 10 mins.


And I guess here we have someone with a high end camera and a overinflated ego, what a shocker......:roll:
Ive been using photoshop for several years and I know my way around it just fine thank you very much. If you think the post processing is so horrible, ill post the original here and you can do whatever magic tricks you have up your sleeve.

coborn35 09-23-2010 01:52 AM

Don't feel bad, thats the same guy that would rip 13 year old kids posting their pictures in the Teen Railfan Group on Trains.com a few years back.

Greg P 09-23-2010 03:41 AM

I'm a fan of the exaggerated color on cloudy day pictures.

I think that this pictures color temperature and makeup really expresses a feeling of doom and gloom, which I think is consistent with the composition of the picture.

khalucha 09-23-2010 11:22 PM

I like it. Looks kind of HDR'ish to me. The colors really pop out.

lock4244 09-24-2010 01:18 PM

How the mighty have fallen. I remember watching them when brand new hustling TV's on the Waterlevel Route. Now, consigned to locals... sheesh!

IHapsias 09-24-2010 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JRMDC (Post 121708)
There might be enough cloud variation for BW to work - the attached isn't an exhaustive attempt but maybe it triggers some ideas for you. I don't think this is a rescue BW, I think there is some potential in the tonal variation for an interesting result.

I think it looks and fits with the scene better in B&W.. Still the scene is pretty cool. The color is ( as everyone else has said ) is too much. B&W seems like it stands a better chance IMHO. :smile:

- Ian Hapsias

coborn35 09-24-2010 08:44 PM

Theres not point in the shot if its B&W. The whole point is the blue.

Joe the Photog 09-24-2010 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by coborn35 (Post 121799)
Theres not point in the shot if its B&W. The whole point is the blue.

I agree. I'd like to see some happy medium between the two color versions you'ves shared, Nikos -- the rejected one and one attached somewhere in the thread. I think there's a way to gt this one in and if not, their loss.

jdirelan87 09-25-2010 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikos1 (Post 121725)
And I guess here we have someone with a high end camera and a overinflated ego, what a shocker......:roll:
Ive been using photoshop for several years and I know my way around it just fine thank you very much. If you think the post processing is so horrible, ill post the original here and you can do whatever magic tricks you have up your sleeve.

I don't think its an unfair assumption that if you have a point and shoot camera, you're also using a lower end editing program and by extension that you don't have much experience editing.... especially if you're asking for editing help.

I'd take a crack at it if you posted the original, full size image. As for a high end camera and overinflated ego; always a pretty common defense from somebody who need to justify to themselves why they haven't invested in a higher end camera and/or editting program.

Chase55671 09-25-2010 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by coborn35 (Post 121726)
Don't feel bad, thats the same guy that would rip 13 year old kids posting their pictures in the Teen Railfan Group on Trains.com a few years back.

What is the relevancy of placing an age in your post? Age is irrelevant in this hobby. Constructive criticism should always be welcomed regardless of where one submits his/her images. The person receiving the criticism should be able to respectfully accept it. That seems to be the problem with younger people.

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Originally Posted by jdirelan87 (Post 121809)
I don't think its an unfair assumption that if you have a point and shoot camera, you're also using a lower end editing program and by extension that you don't have much experience editing.... especially if you're asking for editing help.

I'd take a crack at it if you posted the original, full size image. As for a high end camera and overinflated ego; always a pretty common defense from somebody who need to justify to themselves why they haven't invested in a higher end camera and/or editting program.

Agreed with John on this account. His statements are not necessarily implying you cannot afford a high-end SLR (therefore also not being able to afford a decent post processing software), but could also be implying that one simply doesn't have enough of an interest in the hobby to pursue more professional gear.

Certainly nothing to take offense to..

Chase

Freericks 09-25-2010 03:32 AM

I've got no dog in this fight... but wanted to say, looking through the posts here, Ireland's post was not offensive to me. He was right about the post processing on that one image being poor, and then he essentially offered to help.

It's a very cool shot, Nikos, but you missed on the PP.


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