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David Harrison 04-27-2010 11:05 PM

Its Time For Cropping School Again
 
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=807561&key=0

At least I've made my case for the telephoto compression against the hazy background. But why do I have so much trouble with cropping. Some seem to be able to put up a good photo with no trouble at all.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=478062878

This shot with the train in the theater district has been hit three times....level, then soft, now cropping.

Here are the originals.


http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...lwaukeeRPF.jpg

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...ownLoopRPF.jpg

David

LSRC Railfan 04-27-2010 11:14 PM

I really like the first rejected one (second photo), but the train's kind of in an odd place. Do you have a shot where the train in closer? If so, you can probably crop it for an RP-acceptable photo.

There's not enough space on the bottom of the second one and it looks to be over-sharpened.

ottergoose 04-27-2010 11:39 PM

Cut the original copy of the first photo down the middle and you're all set.

As Jim said, you don't have enough space on the bottom of your second shot.

David Harrison 04-28-2010 12:12 AM

You mean make it a vertical?

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...keeVertRPF.jpg

david

JimThias 04-28-2010 12:14 AM

Yes, but now you have too much on the bottom.

When you look at that vertical crop, does the imbalance of it not bug your eyes?

David Harrison 04-28-2010 12:21 AM

Like this?

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...eVertRPF-1.jpg

David

Joe the Photog 04-28-2010 04:09 AM

I try to shoot where I don't have to crop much at all. But on shots where for whatever reason I know I will need to crop, I center the train!!! Maybe not completely centered, but as close as I can. Forget the Rules of Thirds if you know you'll need to crop. And then remember the Rules of Thirds when cropping. Make sense? I can't tell. I'm too tired.

Joe the Photog 04-28-2010 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Harrison (Post 113540)

Tighter all the way around. Lose the half obstruction down below. Crop tighter to the top of the tallest building and cut some off the right side of the frame. Not have any room on the ldft to play around with hurt the cropping possibilities. Thus, the comment about centering the train when shooting to crop.

You may not have the Image Quality to crop as tight as I think it needs.

Joe the Photog 04-28-2010 04:20 AM

I mispoke. You may need to clip the top off of the tallest building.

David Harrison 04-28-2010 05:38 AM

This can really get discouraging. I was planning to go out shooting Wednesday...forcast is SUNNY 100 percent. Think I'll go to work at the museum instead.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=807699&key=0

David

Joe the Photog 04-28-2010 08:12 AM

Screw work. Go shooting before it's too hot and the sky turns white. As for this crop, first, it's too square. Second, for a vertical, it's too big. You open it up and all you see is sky and heat distorted buildings. I typically don't go above 900 pixels wide on verticals, but maybe even 800 would do on this one. If the screener is like me, he may get set up to find something wrong with the shot just because of the buildings and having to scroll down so much to find the train.

But it also could use some cropping off the top. I think it needs to be right above the second tallest buildings. But since it's too wide, you'd in effect crop down on the top and the right and basiclly keep the square. (Which may work better smaller.) To me, I almost expect to see this shot as a landscape.

At some point the question needs to be asked: is it just easier to go back to this location and reshoot, letting the train get closer to you this time?

milwman 04-28-2010 10:54 AM

I see what you wanted in your first shot but your lens to short. I think your close to what you need for a photo crop. In in shooting or cropping if it takes away from what you want them to look at don't put it in the shot is a good starting point.

David Harrison 04-28-2010 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milwman (Post 113565)
I see what you wanted in your first shot but your lens to short. I think your close to what you need for a photo crop. In in shooting or cropping if it takes away from what you want them to look at don't put it in the shot is a good starting point.

This makes sense about the lens being too short. There was a another shot which I just couldn't get in. Chopping some track off the bottom and some top resulted in a square photo. I agree, the shot seems made for a horizontal .

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1281773803

David


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