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jlev 05-27-2009 12:47 AM

Help please? I'm sure these will get in sooner rather than later.
 
Can someone give me advice on these rejects?
http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=473103237

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=643318059

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=689446&key=0

I even made some changes to some of them: they are attached

NYSubway18 05-27-2009 01:32 AM

I like the first one the best - I would work with it, and forget the 2nd. I know they said bad color, but it really just looks underexposed to me. I would brighten it up, but be careful it doesn't oversaturate it. 2nd one is basically the same shot, but looks underexposed and flat. 3rd is OK, but common power from the same exact location.

Chris Kilroy 05-27-2009 01:56 AM

The first one is without question the best of the three. The composition/cropping needs some work, it's soft, and the levels are messed up, but I think it's repairable.

The other two... I'm not sure they have the technical quality as shown to be "edited up" to acceptable levels.

jlev 05-27-2009 02:06 AM

NYSubway or anyone, what are my chances of getting this shot in of Amtk P42 # 142. There's also another shot of VRE # 01.

Chase55671 05-27-2009 06:56 AM

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I did some work on the first one. It definitely needed some brightness/contrast work and was also pretty soft.

Chase

Dennis A. Livesey 05-27-2009 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase55671 (Post 90417)
I did some work on the first one. It definitely needed some brightness/contrast work and was also pretty soft.

Chase

Looks very good with the basic processing.

But is it level?

jlev 05-27-2009 03:50 PM

What can I do to make this one better, of the Amtrak P42?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=689668&key=0

the Virginia Railway Express Commuter Train?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=326749410

I tried to make the shot of the VRE train a little lighter. It probably does need to be leveled a little more.

Christopher Muller 05-27-2009 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jlev (Post 90436)
What can I do to make this one better, of the Amtrak P42?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=689668&key=0

the Virginia Railway Express Commuter Train?

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=326749410

I tried to make the shot of the VRE train a little lighter. It probably does need to be leveled a little more.

To improve the P42 shot it would have been better to shoot it before that distracting shadow of the lampost was on the cab.

The second one needs an increase in exposure and contrast, perhaps some color saturation after those.

jlev 05-27-2009 09:30 PM

Hello all, Please let me know if there's anything I could do to increase my chances of getting all of these shots in. thank you.

jlev 05-27-2009 09:59 PM

Woops, I accidently deleted a shot, but here is another one of the same loco number? These are two shots of it.

Chris Kilroy 05-27-2009 10:09 PM

Why are you underexposing everything so much?

NYSubway18 05-28-2009 01:34 AM

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Are you post processing your images at all? If so, with what? Are you underexposing them in the camera, or are you eyeballing them on a bad monitor without a histogram when making adjustments? This probably needs more, but just some quick levels, horizontal leveling and white balance tweak I came up with this...

jlev 05-28-2009 02:48 AM

What can I do better to get these shots accepted? I think my main weakness is understanding the contrast stuff in the Picasa software. I shoot RAW and sometimes fine.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...key=1100372537

http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...&key=587299302


Attached is another one that I'm still trying to get in.

NYSubway18 05-28-2009 02:57 AM

Again, your pictures are too dark. Are you trying to shoot full manual mode? Maybe time to go back and shoot Aperture or Shutter speed priority to allow the camera to help you until you get a better feel for the settings.

Are you looking at everybody's suggestions, and adjusted images they have done for you? Your images don't seem to be getting any brighter. Color and contrast can be difficult for many to master, but it shouldn't be too hard to at least get the brightness better. I see almost no difference in the exposure from the first to the last image you have posted. I use Aperture and CS3 so can't help you with Picasa. Sorry.

The attached image above in your last post looks like it's missing some saturation.

asis80 05-28-2009 03:02 AM

John John John John John John John, this is starting to beat a dead horse, really. Your edit, the attached photo, looks good except the leveling. I think that's going to be the killer for that one. And the angle is also not too pleasing, but it works. Do you understand why it's getting hit for contrast? It's hazy, there is a gray film over the entire shot. Increase contrast slightly and up the exposure some. After that, I think you just need to let them GO. I'm not trying to be a butt hole but RP is going to start limiting, if they haven't already, your uploads per day.

Ben

jlev 05-28-2009 10:50 AM

I shoot on sports mode, even though the trains aren't moving too quickly in those shots, obviously. Doing my best to work on brightness. Since the sun is often very hot in the summer, I notice that it creates for hazy shots.

What could I do to get the shot of Amtk P42 127 in?

milwman 05-28-2009 11:15 AM

You would think maybe his monitors off? Maybe it looks fine to him and off to us. That will confuse most newbies. jlev you will do fine but you will still have to teach yourself or find someone by you to help out. Work on the Monitor by getting the profile closer, Google (profiling monitor) to see what you may have to do.

jlev 05-28-2009 11:23 AM

Here is a shot that I tried to fix. I brightened it a little, adjusted the contrast by 1 click, and leveled it a little.

milwman 05-28-2009 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlev (Post 90553)
Here is a shot that I tried to fix. I brightened it a little, adjusted the contrast by 1 click, and leveled it a little.

That looks much better, Needs to be Just a bit lighter on my monitor, not that my monitor's at 100% right now. One thing you may have to do other things besides what thy nailed it for. And don't be in a rush to get photo's on here you will be better off.

TheRoadForeman 05-28-2009 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jlev (Post 90551)
I shoot on sports mode, even though the trains aren't moving too quickly in those shots, obviously. Doing my best to work on brightness. Since the sun is often very hot in the summer, I notice that it creates for hazy shots.

What could I do to get the shot of Amtk P42 127 in?

If you use Nikon, STAY AWAY FROM THE SCENE MODES!! They secretly cancel out options that are made available to you, had you shot using other exposure options, (Aperature priority ((A)), Shutter Priority ((S)), Manual Exposure ((M)))
you gain a lot more control of your photo.

jlev 05-28-2009 03:51 PM

Road Foreman, the exposure modes that you listed, I never use. In fact, not only are they really a no no for RP.net, but in general.

milwman, thank you for the encouraging comment. I'm starting to see improvement in the VRE shot. What could I still do better? to me, it looks like the exposure is in place. I have learned not to be in a rush to get photos accepted to RP.net.

Before I send anything in, I will post my shots that I think are best, but for feedback. I will not attach easy rejects(i.e. high sun shots, shadows)

Dennis A. Livesey 05-28-2009 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlev (Post 90560)
Road Foreman, the exposure modes that you listed, I never use. In fact, not only are they really a no no for RP.net, but in general.

I would agree with you on shutter and aperture modes, but in actuality manual mode is very much a yes yes on RP and also regular photography.

I want to be in control, because in the final analysis the fabulously advanced marvel that is a DSLR is just a dumb tool.

Dennis A. Livesey 05-28-2009 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlev (Post 90560)
Before I send anything in, I will post my shots that I think are best, but for feedback. I will not attach easy rejects(i.e. high sun shots, shadows)

To get the best feedback you need to submit, then post the rejection link. That reduces the variables and makes the feedback more useful.

WembYard 05-28-2009 05:23 PM

Regarding checking your monitor, there is a useful Grey Scale on this site , I am sure there must be plenty more out there.

Ween 05-28-2009 05:45 PM

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Road Foreman, the exposure modes that you listed, I never use. In fact, not only are they really a no no for RP.net, but in general.
What? Why are Shutter and Aperature modes a "no no" for RP???? I know there are folks that use those and not just for RP...I just never saw anyone here say, "I use Sports mode for my shots."

I think you need to understand what you're talking about a tad bit better before making (incorrect) statements like that...


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