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=SPETER= 05-28-2010 04:37 AM

Need Some Pointers...
 
I'm lost and need a few pointers. The attached photo is the fourth (separate) photo I uploaded and RP says once again its undersharpened? Is there anything I can do to sharpen it? The only editing I did to the photo was crop out some grass in the foreground and reduce the resolution size so I could upload it. The location at MP 12.0 has a lot of potential... if I were to try it again is there anything I could try different? (to be all honest I'm hoping to reshoot and get a BNSF ES44AC or SD70ACE taking a SLP, DOL, or IOG south... not a NPJ UP load!)


http://www.railpictures.net/viewreje...d=818494&key=0

Appreciate the help!

JimThias 05-28-2010 04:44 AM

Number boards look a bit soft to me. Sharpen up the nose and I think you're good to go. Actually...it might be just a tad tight on the right side. Do you have any more space to play with, or is that how you framed it when you captured the shot?

Joe the Photog 05-28-2010 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by =SPETER= (Post 115282)
The only editing I did to the photo was crop out some grass in the foreground and reduce the resolution size so I could upload it.

Frankly, that's the problem if it is indeed the only thing you did. Digital images, whether from a digital camera or scanned in from print or slide, needs some post processing including sharpening. Make sure you shoot at the highest possible setting out of your XSi, shoot on manual, (not sure about that f4.5) and then do the post work in your processing software.

Also, 800 pixels wide is kinda slim these days. For a landscape for RP, aim for 1024 pixels wide.

(Obligatory statement now about how I wish they'd increase the maximum sixe for wide here.)

=SPETER= 05-29-2010 02:20 AM

You're right, I should have shot manual instead of automatic... probably a smaller aperture like 10.0 vs the 4.5? Next time I'll give that a try.

For this shot, what would you use to sharpen it? I'm using Photoshop CS2... I've never had any luck with the sharpen tool because it tends to pixelate the area I'm sharpening. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong? I have more luck with the blur tool... lol.

JRMDC 05-29-2010 02:36 AM

I personally don't have a problem with the f/4.5, it softens the background just fine and puts more emphasis on the nose. I sharpened with my usual settings (in photoshop, which you have, Unsharp Mask 80/0.6/0), see the attached.

But the image size, not only is it nice to have a larger image than 800x, I think the vertical hurts you as they will reject if it is less than a minimum of 600. As your normal practice, do 1000 or 1024 wide. Not only is that better for RP but your other viewers, friends who get attachments, etc, will appreciate the larger file.

=SPETER= 05-29-2010 03:26 AM

Ok... I tried the Unsharp Mask (completely forgot about that)... There is a slight difference but not much. I re-cropped the photo and took out that blade of grass again... Cropped aiming more to the right of the image versus getting the S-Curve on the left. Attached is what the result is. Is it worthy of submitting?


Joe the Photog 05-29-2010 03:43 AM

Much better

JRMDC 05-29-2010 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by =SPETER= (Post 115347)
Ok... I tried the Unsharp Mask (completely forgot about that)... There is a slight difference but not much.

Like Joe said, much better.

I see that you are new here, no uploads yet. One piece of advice. You say there is a "slight difference." RP cares greatly about such a difference, which to many of us does not appear slight at all. So if you want to upload to RP you will need to learn to be attentive to such detail.

Good luck with this one and all that follow!

milwman 05-29-2010 04:35 AM

I like your shot a lot, Looks like 7 AM? But the WB killed the color, A touch of yellow may help and boost contrast a bit and you will have a winer I think.

troy12n 05-29-2010 05:03 AM

The sharpened shot is much better, the original was really soft. Also I notice you shot it at f4.5, try a little smaller aperture, say f6.3 or 7.1 if possible to get a little more background detail, you have pretty shallow depth of field there. The composition is pretty good, especially if this is your first attempt.

=SPETER= 05-29-2010 05:38 AM

Actually its a southbounder around 6pm in the evening! :-)

Thanks for the advice (and compliments) everyone. Next time I'll try shooting with a more open aperture to see the difference (definitely on manual). I'm trying to get acquainted with my new 70-200mm 2.8L IS lens I just purchased so I shot on auto.

In all reality, I wish I could have done a better job with the foreground on the real shot I wanted (attached). Too much grass got in the way this time. When I go back to Angora sub MP 12.0... I think I'll take a few steps south.

http://forums.railpictures.net/attac...1&d=1275107667

JimThias 05-29-2010 05:50 AM

Hey, that shot is MUCH more appealing than the first one. I'd go with that one.

=SPETER= 05-29-2010 06:08 AM

Seriously? I'll submit it too... I already submitted the first one and it was accepted. Thanks Jim.

JimThias 05-29-2010 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by =SPETER= (Post 115365)
Seriously? I'll submit it too... I already submitted the first one and it was accepted. Thanks Jim.


Definitely. It's a much more interesting compostion; the train isn't cut off, you framed the S-curve nicely, you can see more of the side of the locos, etc.

=SPETER= 05-29-2010 06:25 AM

Thanks! The problem now is that I'd have two of the same train, do they accept that or is there a trick? Both are good photos...

Freericks 05-29-2010 06:25 AM

Wait a week and then submit the other one.

=SPETER= 06-01-2010 04:25 AM

Thanks for the advice! I did just that, now both photos are added. Now I just need to capture a BNSF load at that same location...... Darn UPs (most of them don't look at nice)

troy12n 06-01-2010 11:35 AM

It's bad form to upload multiple crops of the same scene or one that is very similar to the other one, choose 1.

People who do this is one of my big pet peeves here...

MichaelJ 06-01-2010 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 115519)
It's bad form to upload multiple crops of the same scene or one that is very similar to the other one, choose 1.

People who do this is one of my big pet peeves here...

I disagree. If it's a rare movement then multiple shots of the same run (lots of zoom to very little zoom or full train and then just locomotive) are quite acceptable.

JimThias 06-01-2010 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 115519)
It's bad form to upload multiple crops of the same scene or one that is very similar to the other one, choose 1.

People who do this is one of my big pet peeves here...

I sure hope you don't lose any sleep over it. :razz:

troy12n 06-01-2010 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelJ (Post 115524)
I disagree. If it's a rare movement then multiple shots of the same run (lots of zoom to very little zoom or full train and then just locomotive) are quite acceptable.

Same RUN is one thing, same LOCATION is another. Do you really need to submit multiple crops of the same shot to help your shot count that much? :roll:

troy12n 06-01-2010 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimThias (Post 115531)
I sure hope you don't lose any sleep over it. :razz:

I dont lose sleep over this, but I have nightmares of your dog...

cblaz 06-01-2010 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 115535)
Same RUN is one thing, same LOCATION is another. Do you really need to submit multiple crops of the same shot to help your shot count that much? :roll:

How is that different than these?

Same exact shot, different days:
[photoid=323234]
[photoid=320509]

Same location, multiple crops:
[photoid=322738]
[photoid=323510]

Same day, same location, slightly different crop:
[photoid=321220]
[photoid=321589]

Same location, barely different crop:
[photoid=303166]
[photoid=318757]

Let's add snow:
[photoid=310255]
[photoid=312097]

Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, you're black.

- Chris

troy12n 06-01-2010 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cblaz (Post 115543)
How is that different than these?

Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, you're black.

Different train, different days, different power. Thanks for playing though...

I dont think I could have made my statement any more clear, but perhaps you are lacking severely in reading comprehension skills. Or maybe you are just blind and cant tell a C40-8 from a SD70MAC or a stack train from a coal train.

Just in case you are having a hard time comprehending what I am trying to say: "SAME TRAIN, SAME LOCATION, DIFFERENT CROP"

And of my shots, the only ones which were even taken the same day was the 2 folkston shots from the overpass which were within an hour or so of each other. None of which are the same train from the same location.

Joe the Photog 06-01-2010 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy12n (Post 115519)
It's bad form to upload multiple crops of the same scene or one that is very similar to the other one, choose 1.

People who do this is one of my big pet peeves here...

Mine, too. Actually. I just posted a follow up on the "Can I Delete" thread. Maybe we should gett clarification from the 2 VChris's about this. But uploading two shots of the same grain at the same location seems bad to me. I actually also have a problem with people who upload a shot of one train at a location, then chase it to another location and submitt a similiar shot of the same train.

On the rare times I have submitted shots of the same train, I try to go wedgie, side view and above or below at different locations.

The second shot in this thread was much better, by the way.


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