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trainboysd40
01-28-2011, 11:53 PM
Okay, so while perusing that other thread, I watched this video that was posted:


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Now, this made me think back to all the other great men (and boys) who have been far too excited to see, for example, a normal AC4400 with "KCS" painted on the side in big, red letters.
So I propose this: A gallery full of videos of the most socially retarded railfans; the ones who cannot, and should not exist in society. These don't have to be on rail-videos, but the rule is that they need to make people like Chase seem normal by comparison.

stlgevo51
01-28-2011, 11:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMzx8lpHjGQ
I first remember seeing this video (along with many others from the same user) in a thread on these forms a few months ago. If you do a quick search on his channel, you might be able to find more interesting videos!

This is just stupid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drVHNs2zK5Q&feature=related

doug55579
01-29-2011, 01:40 AM
This one came to mind right away

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT4EoiEOFxg

Greg P
01-29-2011, 02:46 AM
i think that guy takes it a bit to seriously.

Joe the Photog
01-29-2011, 03:35 AM
If you guys let how other people act affect the way you think others see you, that says more about you than it does those "railfans." Just enjoy your hobby the way you see fit.

Freericks
01-29-2011, 03:39 AM
If you guys let how other people act affect the way you think others see you, that says more about you than it does those "railfans." Just enjoy your hobby the way you see fit.

Well said...

I've had "overly enthusiastic and under hygienic" folk come up to me at baseball games, at car shows, at tech shows, at political rallies, at my house of worship, at parades. Yes, railfanning may have acquired a few more of those folks than other hobbies, but I've also had the pleasure to meet a huge amount of very good, very smart, and quite socially capable folks railfanning too.

And as Joe noted, that doesn't matter either. I'm out there because I like trains.

mark woody
01-29-2011, 03:44 AM
Well said...

I've had "overly enthusiastic and under hygienic" folk come up to me at baseball games, at car shows, at tech shows, at political rallies, at my house of worship, at parades. Yes, railfanning may have acquired a few more of those folks than other hobbies, but I've also had the pleasure to meet a huge amount of very good, very smart, and quite socially capable folks railfanning too.

And as Joe noted, that doesn't matter either. I'm out there because I like trains.

Ageed.[Ignores the weird looks of the people looking over my shoulder while I'm typing.]:lol::lol:

Greg P
01-29-2011, 05:20 AM
The only time I've gotten close to that excited is when I saw a caboose leading an engine. No literary, the train was built

boxcar-boxcar-highnose engine-low nose engine-cabose--> (direction of motion)

milwman
01-29-2011, 09:27 AM
I can see getting excited if something was a one off but for every train, May have ADD or something who knows?

Christopher Muller
01-29-2011, 11:05 AM
We, as railfans, are a rare bread. I don't think there is anything normal about us, but some people are to the extreme, as someone else pointed on there are extremes in every hobby.

Now, for the "extreme folks", I was entertained for little bit at their reaction to trains... while I get excited about some things, I don't ever remember screaming from the mountain tops. Perhaps those that have shot with me can give examples, but I don't think so.

The videographer makes an appearance at 1:35 in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v7FvMbHIuM
...and at 3:45 he has the audacity to make fun of another foamer. Thank goodness there is narration in the videos if you forget what the end looks like.




Okay, so while perusing that other thread, I watched this video that was posted:




Now, this made me think back to all the other great men (and boys) who have been far too excited to see, for example, a normal AC4400 with "KCS" painted on the side in big, red letters.
So I propose this: A gallery full of videos of the most socially retarded railfans; the ones who cannot, and should not exist in society. These don't have to be on rail-videos, but the rule is that they need to make people like Chase seem normal by comparison.

mersenne6
01-29-2011, 01:34 PM
I agree with Christopher - railfans are so far out on the end of the population distribution that most summaries of population demographics don't even include us because they figure where we reside on that curve is just an artifact of fitting a curve to a distribution and not indicative of anything real. I think the idea of one railfan calling another railfan extreme is the old "pot calling the kettle black" sort of thing.

Joe the Photog
01-29-2011, 01:45 PM
I don't know if railfans are that odd. I've done news stories on bee collectors and stamp collectors. I think they at least think that people think they're just plain odd. I've seen news tories on people who fill entire rooms with memorbilia from sports teams or political candidates. When you get down to it, what's so odd about us taking pictures of trains? Go to Flickr. There are a lot of people who take a lot of pictures of a lot of things.

JimThias
01-29-2011, 02:04 PM
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stlgevo51
01-29-2011, 02:57 PM
We might be a rare breed, but at least we are creative!

milwman
01-29-2011, 04:27 PM
I don't know if railfans are that odd.

Bird spotters are right up there with odd ones to.

troy12n
01-29-2011, 04:44 PM
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Where is this place, I will never go there. Judging by the platform, looks like the same place the first video was taken.

JimThias
01-29-2011, 05:12 PM
Where is this place, I will never go there.

http://bestsmileys.com/lol/16.gif

Soo 6060
01-29-2011, 05:31 PM
I have a few:

This one is scares me... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX1KG0WkaxA&feature=related

Anyone that thinks freight trains go 80mph is a moron (Check out the comments on the video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xznP1Sfx0U

If I find more, I'll post.

edit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdcrgK2aHmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff_TvfY7-Nw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7R9lekMUBI&feature=related

Pretty much any video by this guy^^^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxqjQk6T-IE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pzYiGI3CqE&feature=related

trainboysd40
01-29-2011, 05:38 PM
God, what is wrong with Fullerton? It appears to be full of extremely fat people, guys who yell themselves hoarse at the first sign of a headlight, and tone-deaf singing foamers.
Lots of people have weird hobbies! And to them, other people with weird hobbies are still weird. Plus, we get the whole 'terrorist' thing. (I'd say a little bit more than photographers in general)

troy12n
01-29-2011, 05:44 PM
This one is scares me... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX1KG...eature=related


Wow, WTF was that guy thinking?

Anyone that thinks freight trains go 80mph is a moron

The ATSF mainline from LA to Chicago has ATS installed and is good for passenger 90 and freight 80. Timetable speed is 70 for freights now, I dont know what it was back in 2001. But I can tell you from firsthand experience, they do every bit of their maximum authorized speed across the desert. I would not be surprised at all if some of the stack trains go a little over the MAS at times.

Soo 6060
01-29-2011, 05:46 PM
Wow, WTF was that guy thinking?



The ATSF mainline from LA to Chicago has ATS installed and is good for passenger 90 and freight 80. Timetable speed is 70 for freights now, I dont know what it was back in 2001. But I can tell you from firsthand experience, they do every bit of their maximum authorized speed across the desert. I would not be surprised at all if some of the stack trains go a little over the MAS at times.

Right, I would agree with the MAS being 70, because most of the engines they use are geared for around that speed.

Walter S
01-29-2011, 06:18 PM
These people seem fairly tame.

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Chase55671
01-29-2011, 06:58 PM
No doubt us being an odd breed. As others have already noted, Fullerton does seem to be full of some rather colorful ones. I think I'll stay away.

By the way, isn't El Roco from Fullerton? At least his sense of humor is rather funny, despite being so dry. ;)

As for local guys, we have some screwed up ones. One guy films videos of himself waving NASCAR flags then submits them to YouTube. He also wears the CSX vest while "foaming" and stands incredibly close to the tracks. He's got autism or something of that nature.

Others lack common sense and trespass way too much. We still don't top Fullerton though.. No trackside caroling!

I don't really have a problem with those kinds of actions, as long as they don't effect me.

Chase

troy12n
01-29-2011, 07:11 PM
Others lack common sense and trespass way too much. We still don't top Fullerton though.. No trackside caroling!

You aren't getting off that easy. I expect video of you, Lloyd and Walter caroling under the station in Charleston next Christmas...

LSRC Railfan
01-29-2011, 07:12 PM
Although the idiot in this video doesn't scream about a dash 9, he is incredibly stupid and makes me ashamed to be a railfan.

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bigbassloyd
01-29-2011, 07:16 PM
You aren't getting off that easy. I expect video of you, Lloyd and Walter caroling under the station in Charleston next Christmas...

Walter and I can pass as normal people when standing at a station. Chase in his sagging shorts, with radio hanging out, and his NS jacket is pegged from the word go... :D

You pick the song.

Loyd L.

troy12n
01-29-2011, 07:21 PM
Walter and I can pass as normal people when standing at a station. Chase in his sagging shorts, with radio hanging out, and his NS jacket is pegged from the word go...

I figured as such. Railpictures.net will lose a lot when he discovers girls :-D

Chase55671
01-29-2011, 07:27 PM
Walter and I can pass as normal people when standing at a station. Chase in his sagging shorts, with radio hanging out, and his NS jacket is pegged from the word go... :D

You pick the song.

Loyd L.

Totally unfair, Loyd. You obviously have not seen my photos from Hooters in Roanoke. Not sure what was more fun that weekend..

I figured as such. Railpictures.net will lose a lot when he discovers girls :-D

Unless I learn to incorporate girls into Railpictures.

Chase

bigbassloyd
01-29-2011, 07:30 PM
Unless I learn to incorporate girls into Railpictures.

Chase

I'm surprised you haven't spotted a Nitro lot lizard beside the yard goat yet... :D

Loyd L.

troy12n
01-29-2011, 08:01 PM
Unless I learn to incorporate girls into Railpictures.

LoL, Lord help us...

Chase55671
01-29-2011, 08:08 PM
I'm surprised you haven't spotted a Nitro lot lizard beside the yard goat yet... :D

Loyd L.

Walter keeps pretty close tabs on his girlfriend and doesn't let her wander too far. :(

Chase

coborn35
01-29-2011, 08:16 PM
Although the idiot in this video doesn't scream about a dash 9, he is incredibly stupid and makes me ashamed to be a railfan.

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I see stuff like that all the time. Idiots.

troy12n
01-29-2011, 08:28 PM
Here's one for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZNgqVInQGw&feature=related

JRMDC
01-29-2011, 08:50 PM
I figured as such. Railpictures.net will lose a lot when he discovers girls :-D

I've met Chase. My prediction, RP will not lose a thing, Chase will have plenty of time and will be posting shots by the hundreds.

Unless someone feels sorry for him... :)

J

IHapsias
01-29-2011, 09:02 PM
Walter keeps pretty close tabs on his girlfriend and doesn't let her wander too far. :(

Chase

The big question is when are yinz WV boys coming to Pittsburgh?!

Ween
01-29-2011, 10:01 PM
I think they at least think that people think they're just plain odd.

Think overdose. Fail.

coaststarlight14
01-29-2011, 10:38 PM
2 negatives make a positive right?
i used to me a big bird guy, now i'm a big train guy...i gues i'm normal!
planes...i like em but never like those plane spotters at runways and such...

Ween
01-29-2011, 11:37 PM
Ha ha ha ha...I actually enjoy the commentary from xtremepadrefan even though it seems like he's trying to channel Reed Timmer from Stormchasers...too bad trains aren't nearly as enthralling as a severe storm chase.

IHapsias
01-29-2011, 11:44 PM
Ha ha ha ha...I actually enjoy the commentary from xtremepadrefan even though it seems like he's trying to channel Reed Timmer from Stormchasers...too bad trains aren't nearly as enthralling as a severe storm chase.

Reed Timmer's long lost son he never had? :lol:

bigbassloyd
01-30-2011, 12:22 AM
The big question is when are yinz WV boys coming to Pittsburgh?!

When it's not whored out on RP anymore? :D

Loyd L.

Christopher Muller
01-30-2011, 12:38 AM
Maybe we should get that guy Ted Williams with the golden voice to railfan some trains and see what it sounds like.

Chase55671
01-30-2011, 01:45 AM
The big question is when are yinz WV boys coming to Pittsburgh?!

I think Loyd summed it up. No desire to visit Candyland here.

Chase

asis80
01-30-2011, 03:15 AM
Didn't know Pitsburgh was the one and only Candyland.

Ben

Chase55671
01-30-2011, 03:42 AM
Didn't know Pitsburgh was the one and only Candyland.

Ben

You're correct, Ben. Candyland is quite the metropolian, consuming a large portion of Pennsylvania and neighboring states. ;)

Chase

Watain
01-30-2011, 10:08 AM
Moral of this thread: Stay away from Fullerton.

EMTRailfan
01-30-2011, 04:18 PM
Although the idiot in this video doesn't scream about a dash 9, he is incredibly stupid and makes me ashamed to be a railfan.

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You can't fix stupid, but it is dumbasses like this that help thin the herd.

Freericks
01-30-2011, 05:27 PM
Moral of this thread: Stay away from Fullerton.

Fullerton is one of the heaviest action railfan spots, I would guess in the country. There is a snack bar. There are plenty of places to sit. There is a bridge to shoot from. There are restrooms. There are restaurants (two in old train stations). There is free parking.

I actually don't know most of those guys, but the guys I do know who hang with them are good people.

And while I would never personally shout at a train or get overly excited about a GP60M meeting a stacker, I still have to say, let he who is without nerdiness cast the first chunk of ballast.

As an aside, that is not the only group of railfans that hang out there even. On Friday evenings, I believe you can find multiple groups... and if you are discerning, choose the group that matches your own level of social awkwardness.

Personally, I'm probably too socially awkward for any of them to accept me.

Joe the Photog
01-30-2011, 08:46 PM
And while I would never personally shout at a train or get overly excited about a GP60M meeting a stacker, I still have to say, let he who is without nerdiness cast the first chunk of ballast..
:lol:

I have to admitt that thinking about the first time I saw a UP SD70MAC with flags and flares, I had to have looked like a moron. I couldn't sleep, so I went for a late night/early morning drive and just happened to spot it, so I got up ahead of it and got out of the car to watch it speed by and think I may have given it an ovation.

Yeah, I know, stupid. Thank God no cell phones back then had video cameras. Of course, it was 3 or 4 a.m. at the time, too.
Personally, I'm probably too socially awkward for any of them to accept me.
Was it Steven Wright who joked that he had an imaginary friend who wouldn't have anything to do with him? That's how I feel sometimes. Plus, shooting alone means I don't have to speed back to the house or hotel and load my shots onto RP before the other guys. Not that Ive ever done that.

:roll:

Freericks
01-30-2011, 09:04 PM
:

Was it Steven Wright who joked that he had an imaginary friend who wouldn't have anything to do with him? That's how I feel sometimes. Plus, shooting alone means I don't have to speed back to the house or hotel and load my shots onto RP before the other guys. Not that Ive ever done that.

:roll:

Actually, that's my line (seriously... I've used it for more than a decade.)

Steven Wright's line was "I'm somebody else's imaginary friend."

NathBDP
01-30-2011, 09:21 PM
That first video is so dorky and true it's hilarious. I love trains just as much as the next guy, but he pretty much verbalizes what the allure is like.

Watain
01-30-2011, 09:57 PM
Fullerton is one of the heaviest action railfan spots, I would guess in the country. There is a snack bar. There are plenty of places to sit. There is a bridge to shoot from. There are restrooms. There are restaurants (two in old train stations). There is free parking.

I actually don't know most of those guys, but the guys I do know who hang with them are good people.

And while I would never personally shout at a train or get overly excited about a GP60M meeting a stacker, I still have to say, let he who is without nerdiness cast the first chunk of ballast.

As an aside, that is not the only group of railfans that hang out there even. On Friday evenings, I believe you can find multiple groups... and if you are discerning, choose the group that matches your own level of social awkwardness.

Personally, I'm probably too socially awkward for any of them to accept me.

I don't fit into the nerdy appearence, but I do have some nerdy tendences when it comes to trains, no denying it here, heck even a parade of coal trains led by GEVO's still gets me excited(I don't scream, I usually just wave). :lol: I'm just happy to see a train while foaming.

I meant in my other post, specifically when xtremepadrefan is there. I think he does cocaine or something, or maybe just a 12 pack of Redbull before he foams; that guy is SUPER excited to see a train. lol

I do want to go to Fullerton, along with Tehachapi Pass, and Folkston one of these days. While I'm still young..

Freericks
01-30-2011, 10:34 PM
Yes... had I witnessed that display on the platform, I would have walked to another location myself.

JimThias
01-31-2011, 12:18 AM
Personally, I'm probably too socially awkward for any of them to accept me.

These videos define social awkwardness.

nikos1
01-31-2011, 12:38 AM
akwardness doesnt quite cut it for the Fullterton foamers.

troy12n
01-31-2011, 12:55 AM
We have a certain code around here that prevents stuff like this from getting out of check.

crazytiger
01-31-2011, 02:40 AM
Unless I learn to incorporate girls into Railpictures.

Chase

Very well played, Chase. I hope we loose nothing "when you discover girls."

lock4244
01-31-2011, 02:45 AM
Watching these videos reminds me why I foam alone.

For the teens here... trains are great, but they'll be there in ten years so don't make them your life right now... save that for when you're older and stuck in the grind. Go and tap everything that will let you when you're young.

JimThias
01-31-2011, 03:08 AM
akwardness doesnt quite cut it for the Fullterton foamers.

Is that term too tame for them? :lol:

Slickrick339889
01-31-2011, 05:48 AM
Go and tap everything that will let you when you're young.

Trains don't give you diseases or make you pay child support and ruin your life.

coborn35
01-31-2011, 05:49 AM
Neither does a Trojan.

JimThias
01-31-2011, 12:00 PM
Trains don't give you diseases or make you pay child support and ruin your life.

Stay away from the skanks and you won't have that problem.

troy12n
01-31-2011, 12:54 PM
Trains don't give you diseases or make you pay child support and ruin your life.

Never use your real name. Hotels exist for a reason. Two words: "Trojan Man".

And when all else fails...

http://textileinnovations.com/images/ist2_52084-clothes-hanger-1.jpg

milwman
01-31-2011, 12:59 PM
Yes... had I witnessed that display on the platform, I would have walked to another location myself.

Was going to say something about them but changed my mind :twisted: Their past fixing I think by referring to the other ones by screen names and they maybe just acting too? As some that age do just to be annoying? Where is Dr Phil! :p

JimThias
01-31-2011, 03:28 PM
Never use your real name. Hotels exist for a reason. Two words: "Trojan Man".

And when all else fails...

http://textileinnovations.com/images/ist2_52084-clothes-hanger-1.jpg

And with that post, this thread is dangerously close to being locked. :lol:

trainboysd40
01-31-2011, 03:31 PM
Jim, I was thinking the same thing. But hell, it's a better end than many threads have met.

troy12n
01-31-2011, 03:48 PM
Since this thread has already jumped the shark, lets push it over the ledge.

This begs the question: What is the train equivalent of the mile high club?

ExNavyDoc
01-31-2011, 04:42 PM
Since this thread has already jumped the shark, lets push it over the ledge.

This begs the question: What is the train equivalent of the mile high club?


The Mile-Long Club

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mile%20long%20club

coborn35
01-31-2011, 04:44 PM
Double points for the Acela.

troy12n
01-31-2011, 05:08 PM
Learn something every day.

Chase55671
01-31-2011, 05:10 PM
Who knew! I'm with Troy.. You learn something new every day!

Chase

Watain
01-31-2011, 07:17 PM
Great thread, will read again.

JimThias
01-31-2011, 08:38 PM
Since this thread has already jumped the shark, lets push it over the ledge.

This begs the question: What is the train equivalent of the mile high club?

The Mile-Long Club

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mile%20long%20club


Or, sex on the ballast as a train passes by. A friend of mine sent me a whole series of pics and videos of a couple doing that in California as a UP train rolls by. Whoever was taking the pics even got shots of the conductor's reaction as the train passed. :lol:

I'm sure someone on this site can identify the location. :-)

stlgevo51
01-31-2011, 10:16 PM
Anyone that thinks freight trains go 80mph is a moron (Check out the comments on the video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xznP1Sfx0U
I don't think that this video makes us feel "ashamed". Maybe he exaggerated the speed by 10 mph, but regardless it is fast. He showed you his speedometer at one point, and the needle was in the 70's, so I don't think he is too far off. Plus, if I record all of the dumb exaggerations that I hear, I would be ashamed to be a high school student (oh wait, I already am!). And if you look through Jack's video collection, both on Youtube and Railpictures, he has some great stuff. He has covered a lot of ground, and has locations that are way better than the average "stand at a platform" spots. And I've never heard him shout or talk in any of his videos.

If their are any railfans to be ashamed of, we should be mad at the perfectly normal people (mentally, at least) who drive up and jump into other people's shots at the last minute, the people who drive like madmen (passing 10 cars at a time and driving in the oncoming lane, which surprisingly I have witnessed) on a two-lane highway to see a steam locomotive at 1 additional location, or the people who walk around cussing because the engine was a GE instead of an EMD.

People like the man in the first video are everywhere, including NASCAR races, car shows, and sporting events. I don't think that is anything unique to the hobby and it isn't a big deal anyway.

Freericks
01-31-2011, 10:43 PM
Jake's point is well made... lens lice are the scourge of our hobby (unless you want them in your shot)...

lock4244
01-31-2011, 10:43 PM
Since this thread has already jumped the shark, lets push it over the ledge.

This begs the question: What is the train equivalent of the mile high club?

From what I've seen of some foamers, anything that you did not have to pay for AND is human :D

Would the real equivalent not simply be on any train as mile high has no restrictions other than on a plane?

travsirocz
02-01-2011, 02:45 AM
Is that term too tame for them? :lol:

Why are you holding a toilet plunger to your face?

BenEPhoto
02-01-2011, 03:06 AM
Totally unfair, Loyd. You obviously have not seen my photos from Hooters in Roanoke. Not sure what was more fun that weekend..

If I remember right chase, she was picking on you about staying with Bryan, you being so young and being a fan of the shake-weight, i dont remember much game being thrown from your side of the table. :-P


Just messing with you buddy, that was a fun night.

barnstormer
02-01-2011, 03:34 AM
Watching these videos reminds me why I foam alone.

For the teens here... trains are great, but they'll be there in ten years so don't make them your life right now... save that for when you're older and stuck in the grind. Go and tap everything that will let you when you're young.

That is probably right. I have some other interest right now but I am still at the rails some.

Freericks
02-01-2011, 03:50 AM
For the teens here... trains are great, but they'll be there in ten years so don't make them your life right now... save that for when you're older and stuck in the grind. Go and tap everything that will let you when you're young.

Eh... I'm going to disagree... not that in the end trains really mean anything in this world... finding happiness with friends, family, other humans, is probably the best route to happiness...

BUT -

When I was about 16, I met a fellow railfan in South Amboy, NJ. He was probably getting close to 30, and he had just graduated from Medical School. He saw me not take a picture of an MU train of Jersey Arrow IIs that went by and chided me... "take the picture... you'll be glad later." He also told me that I should never let girls get in the way of trains. He said there was time for both and I would regret it if I put a hobby that I enjoyed aside.

I did not listen to him. After slowing down in my rail photography massively in the early 1980s, I completely stopped taking train pictures by the late 1980s. In fact, it wasn't until I was married in the mid 1990s that I finally started to take train pics again.

You know what I really miss from my pictures? The late 1980s and early 1990s. That and MUs.

Now, don't get me wrong... having a life is the most important thing out there... I couldn't agree more, and frankly am very, very happy with the life I am having... but if you really enjoy your hobby, it will be different ten years from now than it is today... photograph them both.

JimThias
02-01-2011, 05:06 AM
You know what I really miss from my pictures? The late 1980s and early 1990s. That and MUs.

Yeah, but all that tail you got when you weren't taking those trains pics is certainly worth something, isn't it?? :twisted:

Freericks
02-01-2011, 05:15 AM
We no longer discuss my non-denominational rumspringa.

coborn35
02-01-2011, 05:36 AM
Eh, trains get older and disappear. High school girls stay the same age.;):D

Freericks
02-01-2011, 05:41 AM
Raise your hand if you're really glad Max does not live in your state.

coborn35
02-01-2011, 05:52 AM
You'll love that I am dating a high school girl then!

Freericks
02-01-2011, 06:08 AM
My hand is still held high up in the air.

coborn35
02-01-2011, 06:25 AM
Ahh who needs you.

Watain
02-01-2011, 06:27 AM
You'll love that I am dating a high school girl then!

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/8/8f/Chris-hansen.gif/80px-Chris-hansen.gif










Sorry I could'nt resist. :lol: Wish they would have made it smaller. :shock:

Amtrakdavis22
02-01-2011, 06:47 AM
I could never be a plane spotter mainly because people accuse some railfans of being terrorists, can you imagine what they say about plane spotters?:shock:

Holloran Grade
02-01-2011, 07:59 AM
Where is this place, I will never go there. Judging by the platform, looks like the same place the first video was taken.

The first video with the yelling guy was taken at Fullerton right about here.

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Also the "meet" that he is so excited about is a rather common one and that is what is going on in the above picture.

The other video with the singers (whom I all know) was taken here.

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I have also seen yelling boy and extreme padre fan (who is the guy in the wheel chair) and they carry on like that all the time.


God, what is wrong with Fullerton? It appears to be full of extremely fat people, guys who yell themselves hoarse at the first sign of a headlight, and tone-deaf singing foamers.

My comment on the fat issue is this: Sure I think I could lose a few, but when I go to the Mid West or the North East, heck I still have a neck and I can tie my shoes and see my feet.

Plus, we get the whole 'terrorist' thing. (I'd say a little bit more than photographers in general)

Fullerton has none of that.

You can look at the choo choos to your hearts content.

Even if you look like this.

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No doubt us being an odd breed. As others have already noted, Fullerton does seem to be full of some rather colorful ones. I think I'll stay away.

By the way, isn't El Roco from Fullerton? At least his sense of humor is rather funny, despite being so dry. ;)
Chase

Why yes, how can you tell?

Is it because of the pictures?:D


Railfaning is Best Done with Friends - James Stewart and Qui-Gon Jinn Hit Fullerton

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/36722129@N06/5406828452/" title="Railfaning is Best Done with Friends - James Stewart and Qui-Gon Jinn Hit Fullerton by Holloran Grade (El Roco Photography), on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5217/5406828452_8bc290130d.jpg" width="500" height="328" alt="Railfaning is Best Done with Friends - James Stewart and Qui-Gon Jinn Hit Fullerton" /></a>

After taking a break from a weekend in the Cajon Pass, James Stewart was itching to take advantage of the warm Spring like weather in Southern California by hitting the Fullerton Train Station for a relaxing afternoon of railfaning.

Further, since railfaning is best done with friends, Mr. Stewart sought the accompaniment of an old and trusted fiend, Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn.

Here James explains the the layout of the station and the tracks to Qui-Gon while Metrolink Train 657 clears the station in route to Riverside California.

Fullerton Train Station, Orange County California.

(January 31, 2011)

Holloran Grade
02-01-2011, 08:38 AM
Raise your hand if you're really glad Max does not live in your state.

I am thankful that he is not trying to date my daughter - that way he can continue living.;)

lock4244
02-01-2011, 05:47 PM
Eh, trains get older and disappear. High school girls stay the same age.;):D

Yeah, but you won't.

coborn35
02-01-2011, 05:56 PM
I think that one went over your head. Either that or you dont watch very many movies.

coborn35
02-01-2011, 05:57 PM
I am thankful that he is not trying to date my daughter - that way he can continue living.;)
Oh I hold my own...;)

Freericks
02-01-2011, 06:24 PM
Oh I hold my own...;)

TMI

As an aside, I missed the DAZED AND CONFUSED reference too.

coborn35
02-01-2011, 07:10 PM
I meant the continue living part.

Chase55671
02-01-2011, 07:17 PM
If I remember right chase, she was picking on you about staying with Bryan, you being so young and being a fan of the shake-weight, i dont remember much game being thrown from your side of the table. :-P


Just messing with you buddy, that was a fun night.

All I remember from that night was you bad mouthing your whore of an ex-girlfriend, then later taking her back..

Perhaps you should elaborate on this? I'm sure Max would want to hear! ;)

TMI


:lol:

These RP threads any more bring me more entertainment than the daily digest on ObsCar. :lol:

Chase

Holloran Grade
02-01-2011, 07:24 PM
...[portion omitted]....These RP threads any more bring me more entertainment than the daily digest on ObsCar. :lol:

Chase

That is because there is no Howard figure to somehow yell louder than everyone else - every single time.:-P

Chase55671
02-01-2011, 07:25 PM
That is because there is no Howard figure to some how yell louder than everyone else.:-P

:lol: No doubt..

I've heard some good nicknames for that board..

Chase

Holloran Grade
02-01-2011, 08:00 PM
:lol: No doubt..

I've heard some good nicknames for that board..

Chase

How about the quintessential time waster?

It is easy to waste a whole bunch of time looking at it.;)

troy12n
02-01-2011, 08:36 PM
You'll love that I am dating a high school girl then!

Which is fine if you are still in high school

troy12n
02-01-2011, 08:37 PM
TMI

As an aside, I missed the DAZED AND CONFUSED reference too.

LoL, matthew mcconaughey played that part perfectly

lock4244
02-01-2011, 08:58 PM
I think that one went over your head. Either that or you dont watch very many movies.

Nah, I didn't miss the quote... check ya later.

IHapsias
02-01-2011, 10:05 PM
:Well the thread isn't closed still, what else is there we can say? :twisted:

Holloran Grade
02-01-2011, 10:09 PM
:Well the thread isn't closed still, what else is there we can say? :twisted:

Tell Joe to turn off his monitor and we can start trading F-Bombs.:lol:

coborn35
02-01-2011, 10:10 PM
Which is fine if you are still in high schoolOne year out. Close enough. Shes a senior.

Holloran Grade
02-01-2011, 10:12 PM
One year out. Close enough. Shes a senior.

Nice, thanks for sharing.

Does her dad know what you do for kicks?:lol:

coborn35
02-01-2011, 10:17 PM
I felt i had to answer Troy lol. As far as frequenting a forum with the likes of El Roco? No...http://serve.mysmiley.net/characters/character0110.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-love-smileys.php)

JimThias
02-01-2011, 10:24 PM
http://serve.mysmiley.net/characters/character0110.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-love-smileys.php)

Elmer Fudd smiley...AWESOME! :lol:

Freericks
02-01-2011, 10:26 PM
One year out. Close enough. Shes a senior.


Well... based on that as a standard... I'm married to a woman in her 40s... na na na na na na na na....:lol:

Chase55671
02-01-2011, 10:45 PM
One year out. Close enough. Shes a senior.

So she's a senior and you're a freshman in college? I sure hope you're nailing that. Not sure if you have time to between classes and commenting on every thread in the forums. ;)

I've seen pics of her on FB. Not bad..

Chase

Holloran Grade
02-01-2011, 10:49 PM
Well... based on that as a standard... I'm married to a woman in her 40s... na na na na na na na na....:lol:

Hey Charles, isn't interesting how one's whole attitude on this topic changes when they see their daughter's date at the door and he has that "look" on his face and in his eyes that you remember having?

I suppose after the engagement ring comes you are glad for that look, but it is a little unsettling the first time you notice.

Freericks
02-01-2011, 10:56 PM
Bob... I agree with everything you say, but I also have to note that this thread just got too creepy for me (not your post, Chase's)...

So long all.

"Bet I'll be up all night. Still cleaning this gun." (Rodney Atkins)

Chase55671
02-01-2011, 11:25 PM
Bob... I agree with everything you say, but I also have to note that this thread just got too creepy for me (not your post, Chase's)...

So long all.

"Bet I'll be up all night. Still cleaning this gun." (Rodney Atkins)

How was my post creepy? Certainy not any more creepy than the coat hanger by Troy.

Chase

Freericks
02-01-2011, 11:49 PM
How was my post creepy? Certainy not any more creepy than the coat hanger by Troy.

Chase

You are right, Chase... I should not have singled you out.... and maybe the word I am looking for is icky... and maybe that is just for my sensibilities.

I have a very dainty constitution, after all.

JimThias
02-02-2011, 12:15 AM
How was my post creepy? Certainy not any more creepy than the coat hanger by Troy.

Agreed. What's REALLY creepy here is a guy in his 40s posting pics of action figures that he secretly carries around. :lol:

:twisted:

Chris Z
02-02-2011, 12:21 AM
That's California. The land of fruits and nuts. Nothing else to explain.

Chris Z

Freericks
02-02-2011, 12:50 AM
That's California. The land of fruits and nuts. Nothing else to explain.

Chris Z

Hey!

Well, I'd come fight you over that comment, but I know you're snowed in and I can't get to you.

:-D

Chase55671
02-02-2011, 01:00 AM
Agreed. What's REALLY creepy here is a guy in his 40s posting pics of action figures that he secretly carries around. :lol:

:twisted:

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Chase

BenEPhoto
02-02-2011, 01:22 AM
All I remember from that night was you bad mouthing your whore of an ex-girlfriend, then later taking her back..

Perhaps you should elaborate on this? I'm sure Max would want to hear! ;)

Chase

Hey she might have been that, but we all take people back for a reason. :)

Watain
02-02-2011, 01:25 AM
Haha. I've missed this forum.

troy12n
02-02-2011, 01:32 AM
The coat hanger wasnt creepy, it was disturbing.

Chris Z
02-02-2011, 02:04 AM
Hey!

Well, I'd come fight you over that comment, but I know you're snowed in and I can't get to you.

:-D

It's a pretty good blizzard under way right now. Make's me wish I was in California.

Chris Z

Freericks
02-02-2011, 02:30 AM
It's a pretty good blizzard under way right now. Make's me wish I was in California.

Chris Z

If you ever come, let me know... we fruits and nuts would welcome you (some good railfanning around here).

:-D

Holloran Grade
02-02-2011, 02:35 AM
The coat hanger wasnt creepy, it was disturbing.

Ya, thanks for making that distinction.:shock:

Holloran Grade
02-02-2011, 02:37 AM
If you ever come, let me know... we fruits and nuts would welcome you (some good railfanning around here).

:-D

Only on the condition that you promise to go home.:-D

Chris Z
02-02-2011, 02:48 AM
California is a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. One of my brothers lives in LA and I do visit once in a while.

Last time, my wife and two daughters along with my brother went to Disney Land and I went to Tehachupi.

Chris Z

Freericks
02-02-2011, 03:21 AM
Before I lived here, my first visit (I was 16), my family went to Disneyland, and I went to hang out at Colton Tower. Saw a lot of trains that day.

Smoke
02-02-2011, 05:03 AM
....

"Bet I'll be up all night. Still cleaning this gun." (Rodney Atkins)

That's a good song.

JimThias
02-02-2011, 05:17 AM
That's California. The land of fruits and nuts. Nothing else to explain.

:lol:

California is a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. One of my brothers lives in LA and I do visit once in a while.


However, the Sacramento area rocks. I lived there once and I'd live there again in a heartbeat if I could. I wish I was still living there. :(

troy12n
02-02-2011, 11:09 AM
... you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave...

viper
02-02-2011, 03:27 PM
:lol:



However, the Sacramento area rocks. I lived there once and I'd live there again in a heartbeat if I could. I wish I was still living there. :(

You are a sick man. I think you need to catch a few more trains to get it out of your system. :)

I've never thought this place rocked at all over the last 17 years. However, being here puts you behind the rock with the hard place just in front.

There are worse places to live than California but I'm not coming up with any. Well, McMurdo might not be all that great but it beats Lodi or Turlock.

lock4244
02-02-2011, 04:05 PM
There are worse places to live than California but I'm not coming up with any. Well, McMurdo might not be all that great but it beats Lodi or Turlock.

How about Watts or Inglewood? I ate lunch in Inglewood once... I won't do that again, ever. I'd never seen an abandoned mall before that day...

Holloran Grade
02-02-2011, 04:15 PM
How about Watts or Inglewood? I ate lunch in Inglewood once... I won't do that again, ever. I'd never seen an abandoned mall before that day...

There are also McDonalds that have closed down and gone out of business.

I didn't think that was possible.

Freericks
02-02-2011, 04:39 PM
Watts? Inglewood? Sacramento?

Let's try some of the real reasons people live here... Coronado, La Jolla, Torrey Pines, Newport Beach, Laguna Beach, Palos Verdes, Redondo Beach, Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, Bel Air, Montecito, Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo... I can come up with a thousand more if you need.

Today, we have the bluest of blue skies. It's going to up to the 70s. The lack of humidity seems to help keep the insect popluation way down. The famous smog has pretty much vanished over the last ten years.

And as far as why it's so expensive to live here? As I've noted before, it's the same reason why front row or 50-Yard Line tickets are so much more expensive...

Hmmm.... after work, I think I'll take a nice bike ride on the beach.

Have fun, whever you are... busy hatin on us.

Holloran Grade
02-02-2011, 05:25 PM
Watts? Inglewood? Sacramento?

Let's try some of the real reasons people live here... Coronado, La Jolla, Torrey Pines, Newport Beach, Laguna Beach, Palos Verdes, Redondo Beach, Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, Bel Air, Montecito, Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo... I can come up with a thousand more if you need.

Today, we have the bluest of blue skies. It's going to up to the 70s. The lack of humidity seems to help keep the insect popluation way down. The famous smog has pretty much vanished over the last ten years.

And as far as why it's so expensive to live here? As I've noted before, it's the same reason why front row or 50-Yard Line tickets are so much more expensive...

Hmmm.... after work, I think I'll take a nice bike ride on the beach.

Have fun, whever you are... busy hatin on us.


Charles, would you just stop already!

Don't tell them that, they will want to come here and stay.

There are already too many Midwest and Northeast expats living here.

Or better yet let me put it in the simplest terms, are there not enough people jumping into your shots already?

Why invite more?:D

Freericks
02-02-2011, 05:38 PM
True 'dat.

troy12n
02-02-2011, 06:31 PM
I'd never seen an abandoned mall before that day...

Not to defend Watts or Inglewood. But we have had abandoned malls here in my area before, and we have relatively low percentage of ghetto.

1. Tampa Bay Center (Tampa): purchased by a local sports team to be torn down and used as their new corporate HQ/practice facility but sat vacant and abandoned for several years. The mall, when it closed was only 10-15 years old. (was the region's ONLY multi-level mall) (not in a bad part of town).

2. Clearwater Mall (Clearwater): a very nice mall in a very nice part of town, which for whatever reason closed and sat vacant and abandoned for at least 5 years before it was leveled and a new "super Target" and several other outparcels were built where it was. This mall only really existed for about 10-15 years, kind of sad.

3. East Lake Square Mall (Tampa): in a not very nice part of town, a few miles from "the hood", sat abandoned for 3 years before the inside was gutted and now used very successfully as massive office space and call centers.

4. Floriland Mall (Tampa): in a not very nice part of town, a few miles from "the hood", died in phases, when Montgomery Ward went out of business, it was the last operating entity in the mall, the whole place closed. Parts of it were bought by the state and local government which used it as office space, but have since pulled out. It now sits vacant and an eyesore.

5. Sunshine Mall (Clearwater): Pretty much died when Clearwater Mall was built in the 80's, it seemed like the whole place died overnight, but sat vacant for 5 years before it was razed and now Condos exist in it's footprint. (not in a bad part of town)

There is another mall that is currently dying and is in "the hood", but somehow has managed to stay open. The only major store still there is Sears and Macy's, but somehow it hangs on. University Square Mall (Tampa).

Also, of all places, Augusta, GA has an abandoned mall I found that is VERY creepy looking. Google "Regency Mall" in Augusta, GA. for it's story. Just sitting there rotting, a real eyesore.

Holloran Grade
02-02-2011, 06:39 PM
http://www.deadmalls.com/

http://www.urbanghostsmedia.com/2010/09/dead-malls-9-abandoned-arcades-markets-and-shopping-centres/

troy12n
02-02-2011, 06:48 PM
Dead Mall Fans? They must REALLY be socially awkward...

Us railfans must not be the bottom of the barrel geeks after all

lock4244
02-02-2011, 07:23 PM
Hmmm.... after work, I think I'll take a nice bike ride on the beach.

Have fun, whever you are... busy hatin on us.

I ain't hatin' on CA homes, but 70 degrees and bike rides on the beach? Ouch! Blizzard here (well, was supposed to be the storm to end all storms... not quite that great), you can't sell CA with heat an liquid water. Snow, snow, and if you can work it in, more snow, please :D

IHapsias
02-02-2011, 11:56 PM
Dead Mall Fans? They must REALLY be socially awkward...

Us railfans must not be the bottom of the barrel geeks after all

Don't forget siren fans!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDn7ZjOpqbU

:shock:

troy12n
02-03-2011, 12:20 AM
Don't forget siren fans!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDn7ZjOpqbU

:shock:

Weak, a real siren fan would post nothing less than a thunderbolt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYeql9xE19k

Or the baddest ass siren of all time (hemi powered)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04SMJlwosZ0

IHapsias
02-03-2011, 12:33 AM
Weak, a real siren fan would post nothing less than a thunderbolt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYeql9xE19k

Or the baddest ass siren of all time (hemi powered)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04SMJlwosZ0

Funny enough there's a siren guy in the neighborhood.. We had a Thunderbolt siren... Well, till it broke. :lol:

bigbassloyd
02-03-2011, 12:33 AM
WARNING: California contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm.

Loyd L.

WisconsinCentral
02-03-2011, 12:38 AM
"or the people who walk around cussing because the engine was a GE instead of an EMD"

Only under my breath.

Alec(A hangar, Troy???? Really!?)

DelmonteX
02-03-2011, 04:21 AM
Watts? Inglewood? Sacramento?

Let's try some of the real reasons people live here... Coronado, La Jolla, Torrey Pines, Newport Beach, Laguna Beach, Palos Verdes, Redondo Beach, Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, Bel Air, Montecito, Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo... I can come up with a thousand more if you need.

.

Gee Charles, did you forget about the other California north of SLO?

Monterey, Carmel, Pebble Beach, Santa Cruz, San Fran, the North Coast, Yosemite, etc.

As an escaped California Native, I found most people who visited California and found it, shall we say, lacking, visited So Cal. Never venturing out of the Basin.

Doesn't the reduced smog have a correlation with the reduced industry?

Man, this thread sure took a hard left turn.

Freericks
02-03-2011, 04:25 AM
Gee Charles, did you forget about the other California north of SLO?

Monterey, Carmel, Pebble Beach, Santa Cruz, San Fran, the North Coast, Yosemite, etc.

As an escaped California Native, I found most people who visited California and found it, shall we say, lacking, visited So Cal. Never venturing out of the Basin.

Doesn't the reduced smog have a correlation with the reduced industry?

Man, this thread sure took a hard left turn.

All great places, Steve... I agree.

Yes, reduced industry is a good part of the cleaner air.

Charles Freericks

JimThias
02-03-2011, 04:26 AM
You are a sick man. I think you need to catch a few more trains to get it out of your system. :)

I've never thought this place rocked at all over the last 17 years. However, being here puts you behind the rock with the hard place just in front.

There are worse places to live than California but I'm not coming up with any. Well, McMurdo might not be all that great but it beats Lodi or Turlock.

In the two years I lived in Sacramento I absolutely loved it. I have missed that place every day for the past 20 years since I lived there last. Going back there for two different vacations in '09 just made me miss it even more.

Chris Z
02-03-2011, 05:13 AM
All great places, Steve... I agree.

Yes, reduced industry is a good part of the cleaner air.

Charles Freericks

Wow, some people leave California for whatever reason, and others wish they never left. But the ones that do leave, leave the rest of the country CALIFORNICATED.

Chris Z

Freericks
02-03-2011, 05:33 AM
As much as I love Cali... I would move back to NJ in an instant if it weren't for the weather... and my job... and my kids' friends... and my wife and my friends... and being a part of the community... dang... I don't know if I'm ever going to get home.

Holloran Grade
02-03-2011, 02:50 PM
In the two years I lived in Sacramento I absolutely loved it. I have missed that place every day for the past 20 years since I lived there last. Going back there for two different vacations in '09 just made me miss it even more.

It is fascinating that you want to live in Sacto.

You know the reason why they made it the state capitol right?

Well no one wanted to live there and the land was cheap and there were no political agendas to putting the state government there because it was the desert.

However, if you are into water skiing and inland boating and fishing like people do in WI, Il and SC then delta life would probably suit you well.

Summer is a drag though.

troy12n
02-03-2011, 03:03 PM
I would CONSIDER living there if it was not for the high housing prices (even post-bust), ridiculous taxes, high crime, high utilities costs.

Too much baggage. Maybe my opinion would change if I actually lived there for a while though.

Holloran Grade
02-03-2011, 03:13 PM
The gun laws there are way better.

California sucks if you want to carry a gun around.

Chase55671
02-03-2011, 03:35 PM
The gun laws there are way better.

California sucks if you want to carry a gun around.

So you mean to tell me that there is no way to defend myself from the crazy Fullerton platform whores?

Chase

crazytiger
02-03-2011, 04:11 PM
The gun laws there are way better.

California sucks if you want to carry a gun around.

C'mon, we all know California allows open carry. :D

Holloran Grade
02-03-2011, 04:16 PM
C'mon, we all know California allows open carry. :D

Florida allows loaded open carry without a permit and loaded concealed after getting a permit.

To get the permit you take a class and pay the fee.

Also you can carry a loaded weapon in a vehicle in Florida which is not allowed at all in California - loaded, or unloaded.

In CA weapons must be unloaded and in a locked container and you need to be on your way somewhere, not just driving around.

lock4244
02-03-2011, 04:39 PM
In Canada if you want to take your handgun (if your allowed to own one at all) from home to the shooting range, you have get permission from the Gov't.

bigbassloyd
02-03-2011, 05:34 PM
Retarded laws, if I do say so myself.

Loyd L.

Holloran Grade
02-03-2011, 06:19 PM
In Canada if you want to take your handgun (if your allowed to own one at all) from home to the shooting range, you have get permission from the Gov't.

Well, it is pretty evident from the U.S. Constitution what pissed off the colonists when they left England.

Big on that list was the monarchy, free speech and guns.:wink:

It is no accident that free speech and guns are numbers one and two on the list of amendments.

AntD.
02-03-2011, 06:30 PM
How about Watts or Inglewood? I ate lunch in Inglewood once... I won't do that again, ever. I'd never seen an abandoned mall before that day...

Well, here in 'Dis'gusta, Georgia, we have an abandoned mall, was the largest mall in the Southeast or in Georgia at one time. As of late it seems like the city is going to hell. Heck, I got robbed at gunpoint back in December. Not fun I tell ya, but I guess it gives me more street cred. to go to time exposures in East St. Louis! :lol:

JimThias
02-03-2011, 06:49 PM
It is fascinating that you want to live in Sacto.

You know the reason why they made it the state capitol right?

Well no one wanted to live there and the land was cheap and there were no political agendas to putting the state government there because it was the desert.

However, if you are into water skiing and inland boating and fishing like people do in WI, Il and SC then delta life would probably suit you well.

Summer is a drag though.

The Sacramento area is pretty much the only spot in the state that I'd ever consider living. 1.5-2 hours from San Fran and the ocean in one direction, less than an hour from the mountains and snow in the other. Yeah, the temp in the summer can get hot, but I'd rather have 100 and dry heat any day over 90 and humid that we get here in Michigan. I loved both summers I lived there and wasn't bothered by the heat at all. Plus, when I lived there, the cost of living was quite average when compared to where I have lived in Michigan. That is something that really appealed to me. I really like downtown Sac (probably because of the trees) and Old Town kicks ass. I'm more partial to the Roseville area though, not only because I used to work there, but because my brother and his family live there as well. If I didn't have things holding me back here in Michigan, I wouldn't think twice about moving there again. There is no other city in this country (outside of Michigan) that I am more familiar with. I consider it my second home. :smile:

Freericks
02-03-2011, 06:59 PM
Well, it is pretty evident from the U.S. Constitution what pissed off the colonists when they left England.

Big on that list was the monarchy, free speech and guns.:wink:

It is no accident that free speech and guns are numbers one and two on the list of amendments.

The Bill of Rights was the third "adjustment" to our governing mission statement. It came after the Articles of Confederacy and the Constitution (which replaced the Articles).

The other issue here is that none of the Founding Fathers came from England. Now, they were most certainly of English ancestry, and they were born English subjects, but they were all from the Colonies (and the West Indies, which were also colonies, just not ones that became part of the USA). The Pilgrims came here for freedom of religion, yes, but that was for freedom to practice their religion, not for freedom for everyone. My 14 greats grandfather was the religious leader of the Pilgrims, William Brewster.

The right to bear arms comes from the English Bill of Rights itself, which was more than a hundred years earlier... moreover, even then, it was not giving a right, but rather re-stating it.

Holloran Grade
02-03-2011, 07:16 PM
For part of the time that our "governing mission statement" was in effect, this was England.:D

These folks really had balls cause if things ended up badly, they would all get hung.

Freericks
02-03-2011, 07:32 PM
For part of the time that our "governing mission statement" was in effect, this was England.:D

These folks really had balls cause if things ended up badly, they would all get hung.

Which would have resulted in my not being here...

The Magna Carta was not a bad "governing mission statement" itself. The prevailing issue of King George (who was teetering on insanity) and taxation without representation were what led to the Revolution.

I have no complaints regarding the Bill of Rights... and think it is perfect as it is... I just think we need to look at these things in their proper context.

Had the Colonies had true representatives in the House of Commons and the House of Lords and had the King been reasonable, would they have turned against the mother country? Probably not.

Was the Bill of Rights written to refute the English manner of government? Hardly, it seems to copy it in many ways.

Was the Bill of Rights written to clarify what the nascent country's leaders wanted to ensure would never be taken away as instructions to those who would succeed them? Most likely.

troy12n
02-03-2011, 09:26 PM
Florida allows loaded open carry without a permit and loaded concealed after getting a permit.

Also you can carry a loaded weapon in a vehicle in Florida which is not allowed at all in California - loaded, or unloaded.

Florida actually does not allow open carry by anyone except for law enforcement and licensed security guards. We used to have open carry up until the mid 80's.

You can carry a loaded weapon in a car, but there are several stipulations.

Even if you have a concealed carry permit, a loaded pistol cannot be on your person. It has to be at least "2 steps" removed. IE: in a holster, in your glove box, or in a holster and inside a tupperware container, etc.

If the weapon is a rifle or shotgun, it can be loaded, does not need to be concealed or be 2 steps away. IE: it can be on a gun rack or on your seat, etc.

khalucha
02-03-2011, 09:26 PM
Florida allows loaded open carry without a permit and loaded concealed after getting a permit.

To get the permit you take a class and pay the fee.

Also you can carry a loaded weapon in a vehicle in Florida which is not allowed at all in California - loaded, or unloaded.

In CA weapons must be unloaded and in a locked container and you need to be on your way somewhere, not just driving around.

Arizona used to be the same way. Now they changed the law to carry concealed WITHOUT a permit. Still the Wild, Wild West out here.